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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 07:02 pm
@ossobuco,
I can't imagine having to bury my son and my husband....

Or my brother and my Father.

Or my father and my grandfather.

I guess JCBoy, this will be harder for you when you read this, for which I am truly sorry.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 07:09 pm
@ossobuco,
Osso, sorry too for the memory that's being brought back up to you.

I'm working and typing, too fast obviously.
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EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:03 pm
All I keep hearing is how everyone feels sorry for Thom. This is the result of getting behind the wheel of a car and thinking you can drive after drinking! The devastation is a domino effect.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:10 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
From the various comments made here, it sounds like the bar is a magnet for folks exceeding their limits without much challenge.

What ever happened to that law that had been proposed a few years ago that spread some of the responsibility around to bar tenders, party hosts, etc.?
EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:17 pm
@Butrflynet,
Not sure about that law but they're about twelve gay bars in this community and many straight bars that better be gay friendly or they don’t stay in business long so they’re all competing with each other. Each has different drink specials every night. We have a service in town called rainbow rides, they will pick you up and take you home for free! But some just don’t have enough sense to call them.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:20 pm
@Butrflynet,
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What ever happened to that law that had been proposed a few years ago that spread some of the responsibility around to bar tenders, party hosts, etc.?

Florida pretty much took a pass on those laws.

They are called dram shop laws.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:21 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
Quote:
We have a service in town called rainbow rides, they will pick you up and take you home for free! But some just don’t have enough sense to call them.

Maybe this tragedy will get more people to use the service. I hope so.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:22 pm
@DrewDad,
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The tax payers who would pay for all of the new judges, courtrooms, recorders, bailiffs, etc.?


Oh the lawyers, the jailers, the judges, the stockholders of the private jails now being build and so on.............

The craziness of having a legal system that put far far greater percents of our total population in prison then any other advance nation would need to come to an end.

The taxpayers not needing to pay 30,000 a year or so to warehouse a large population of non-violence offenders for decades would be far better off.

Not to mention not taking millions of people away from being taxpayers themselves for decades or for life.

We have men now in prison for life for very minor crimes under the three strike rule and large percent of the total prison population is in prison for such evil crimes as selling/growing pot or running betting outfits.

Billions of dollars would pour in by taxing such things as pot growing or gambling instead of billions flowing out of the treasury to paid for this crazy so call justice system.

With the case load down to what the rest of the western world need to deal with you could not need to press people to give up their constitution right to have a jury trial and we could enjoy far more justice in our so call justice system.



ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:25 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
Rainbow Rides - good to know there is a service like that available. I'm glad you mentioned it in this thread.

Hopefully more people will decide to use it.



ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:26 pm
@BillRM,
Hopefully a few people will look at the NPR link I dropped in earlier and see how right you are about most things in this post.

I don't always agree with your approach to posting, but you're right about the basic problems with the U.S. justice industry.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:29 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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gives a rats azz if his bike was lit up or not lit up, have you no empathy at all, no compassion at all? Geez louise... You are answering my post? Pertaining to what a tragedy with who was right who was wrong?


Being both a night cyclist and a driver that even cold sober and very aware of the problem of nearly invisible bikes being rode against traffic had come near to hitting such fools so yes I would like to know if the cyclist was lit up as the law demand or not.

If he was not then my compassion move more to the driver who life is likely to be ruin also even if he had a few drinks.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:33 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
very aware of the problem of nearly invisible bikes being rode against traffic


we know from the police media release that the cyclist and car were travelling in the same direction so we know that wasn't an issue
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:34 pm
@ehBeth,
you're going to bring facts into the discussion?

what a concept...
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:40 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
very aware of the problem of nearly invisible bikes being rode against traffic

The bike and the car were going in the same direction.
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so yes I would like to know if the cyclist was lit up as the law demand or not.

Well, I doubt that anyone here will be able to answer that question. That information would not be publicly available, certainly not at this point, so I don't know why you keep asking.
Can't you even wait until Barry Lancaster is buried before trying to blame him for his own death?

A drunk driver still has more difficulty with night vision than a sober one. And, in this case, the drunk driver still left the scene of the accident.

How come you're not interested in knowing things about the driver? Did he have previous DUI's? How fast was he going? Were his headlights working properly? How high was his BAC?
Quote:
About 90 percent of what a driver identifies in a traffic scene is through the sense of vision.
HIGH BAC IMPAIRS:

· VISUAL ACUITY

· DEPTH PERCEPTION

· PERIPHERAL VISION

· COLOR RECOGNITION

· NIGHT VISION


Levels of alcohol as low as .03 percent BAC can lessen one's muscular control by relaxing the fine eye muscles and adversely affecting visual acuity, depth perception, peripheral vision, color recognition, and night vision.
http://www.webtrafficschool.com/wts/content/Texas/Effects_of_Alcohol.html





roger
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:46 pm
@firefly,
Now, he has inquired as to the lighting.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:52 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
we know from the police media release that the cyclist and car were travelling in the same direction so we know that wasn't an issue


The main issue is was the bike light up or not.

In my 17 miles cycle to work before daybreak I used to go through areas with fairly heavy work bike traffic and even from another bike it is hard to see an dark bike at any distant at all.

LED flashers are five dollars or so at Walmart and I used to have two such flashers and a stroke light on the rear end of my bike with a flasher and a bright headlight on the front end.

This dark bike traffic concern me enough I consider buying 5 dollars flashers and giving them out to those dark cyclists and the only thing that stop me is that I did not wish to get into any possible conflict if someone took my concerns the wrong way.

I even stopped at the local police department once and strongly suggested that they warn such cyclists to obey the law concerning lights for safety reasons.

This is not a new issue to me.


firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 08:56 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
it is hard to see an dark bike at any distant at all.

And even harder to see it if you are drunk.

And the bike had to be close enough for the car to hit it...
Quote:
Levels of alcohol as low as .03 percent BAC can lessen one's muscular control by relaxing the fine eye muscles and adversely affecting visual acuity, depth perception, peripheral vision, color recognition, and night vision.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 09:01 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
it is hard to see an dark bike at any distant at all.


the bike was close enough to hit with the car

distance wasn't an issue

direction of travel wasn't an issue
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 09:05 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

BillRM wrote:
very aware of the problem of nearly invisible bikes being rode against traffic


we know from the police media release that the cyclist and car were travelling in the same direction so we know that wasn't an issue


Ya, East, which is curious because the club is to the south east of this location so why was Thom going East to go home? I can not come up with a decent explanation for this other than that the police report is wrong or that Thom had made a wrong turn.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 09:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Gee... a drunk person making a wrong turn. What are the odds?

[sarcasm]Let's pull up Google street view, and see if we can take exactly the same route. Maybe the van will have been by and we can see the bloodstains. [/sarcasm]

Maybe our morbid curiosity would be satisfied.
 

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