I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@cs33717,

Sweetie, you sound green with envy. Get back on your broom and get lost.

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@jcboy,

Given that you can "google" and consequently everyone in your town, or nearby would have already done so, so no harm in posting the link, I was quite amazed at the following:-

So over there, you have a bond of $20,000 should you leave the scene of a crime involving a death, and + $100,000 if it is DUI Manslaughter if you are charged.

I think that says alot were "drinking and driving" is concerned...

You could possibly raise $20k between family....

http://www.whosarrested.com/florida/pinellas-county/clearwater/pcj/1023299-thom-brian-swift

My eyes also wouldn't look like that if I just killed someone but then I am a female...

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@FOUND SOUL,

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I think that says alot were "drinking and driving" is concerned...

It's a very serious charge. The potential penalty for DUI manslaughter doubles if you leave the scene. The state of Florida really does not want anyone to leave the scene under such circumstances.

If you're driving drunk, and you've already hit one person, the immediate need to stop the car, before hitting anyone, or anything, else seems fairly obvious.

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@Lustig Andrei,

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It works in the favor of both parties -- the state saves some money by not having to conduct a lengthy trial; the defendant gets a much reduced sentence. What's to complain about?

The state gets to arrest many times the number of people that it could deal with given its funding for the courts because the state is able to pressure most people into pleaing. We the citizens would be far better off than we are now if we were to make a pact that should we ever be arrested we will force the state to give us a trial...the system would grind to a halt because the state is not going to come up with the funds to expand the court system enough to deal with all of these folks.

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@hawkeye10,

Let me ask you this, Hawkeye -- if you were unjustly accused of a crime you did not commit, would you cop a plea to avoid a trial? Honestly?

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@firefly,

BillRM wrote:

Look into means to make financially whole at least in part those who are found not guilt after a jury trial.

firefly wrote:

What would be the legal rationale for doing that?

False arrest, false imprisonment, harrassment.

firefly wrote:

Why would someone found "not guilty" after trial
be entitled to any financial compensation from the state?

Because it rongfully put him thru hell, starting with kidnapping.
(ALWAYS look for an excuse to kick government in the ass.)

firefly wrote:

An acquittal does not mean that the charges were unjustified.

That 's not how the jury found it.

firefly wrote:

You want to legally compensate O.J. or Casey Anthony, or anyone else, who has been acquitted at trial?

I DO!

firefly wrote:

You are aware, aren't you, that defendants can bring a civil suit against the state
for malicious/unlawful prosecution when there is reason to believe that has happened?
Why is civil court not the appropriate remedy? [Individual citizens shud not be inconvenienced.]

WE are Individual citizens.
WE created government; the damned thing is our property.
It seeks to abuse us. We need to make life more comfortable for us,
and progressively worse for government.

David

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Most of the people who are willing to accept the offer of a plea bargain
do so because they're guilty as hell

So what??
His point concerned individual rights,
as threatened by the agent of the collective.

David

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@firefly,

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If you're driving drunk, and you've already hit one person, the immediate need to stop the car, before hitting anyone, or anything, else seems fairly obvious.

Not to a drunk person. It's fair to assume that their thinking could be illogical and that there would be a sense of fear, confusion.

I don't believe that bumping up the bond, whilst I agree it is a very serious charge in-deed, will stop people from drink driving.. People are aware pretty much of the penatlies they pay, the price they pay for any driving offense, or wrongful death caused.

The mere fact that they definately "should or would" have that thought about consequenses before they drink, before they go out and make the management decision to catch a taxi, or bus or hitch a lift with a friend, makes me un-able to feel sorry for them in the event that they got in that car and killed someone..

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@OmSigDAVID,

I'm trying to get a handle on just what your own feelings are on this question, David. Are you opposed to the practice of plea bargaining on general principles, or just in certain cases or what? I'm not at all clear what your stand here is.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Let me ask you this, Hawkeye -- if you were unjustly accused of a crime you did not commit, would you cop a plea to avoid a trial? Honestly?

If the state was offering 13 years and if i lost I would be looking at 30? Maybe......since I am not DSK and thus I can not afford to buy a decent defense team to go against the almost unlimited power of the state, the state which almost certainly is going to be hell bent on proving that I am guilty no matter what the facts are.

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

The mere fact that they definately "should or would" have that thought about consequenses before they drink, before they go out and make the management decision to catch a taxi, or bus or hitch a lift with a friend, makes me un-able to feel sorry for them in the event that they got in that car and killed someone..

If your favorite person became involved in that situation??
Maybe your mom ?
Suppose that your favorite person was drinking
but that u called him or her qua a personal emergency.
If he impetuosly drove to your side (or toward it)
not thinking of finding a bus, nor a cab,
u woud not feel any sympathy for him?

I woud.

Loyalty to our friends is important!

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

There will always be different circumstances in everything you choose to discuss, debate, (a person) ..

Naturally, but as I am focused on "this " particular thread, mentally, for the obvious I am talking about this case. He was at a bar.

I have a diabetic dog, I would be driving her to that vet if she went to die on me without a blink of the eye... That's my management choice and if that's against the law, I'd have to wear the consequences... And, yes you could tell me, that I can never touch a glass of wine again in my while entire life, whilst Kia is alive to counter-act that...that would be true.. But, would anyone really do that, not go out, not have people over and have a glass of wine with them, when they already can't sleep in past 6am every day of the week? Probably not. Unless they are perfect. I'm far from perfect.

If you have a chance to make a decision "before" which is quite diferent to your scenario then that's totally different.

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@Lustig Andrei,

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if you were unjustly accused of a crime you did not commit, would you cop a plea to avoid a trial? Honestly?

So you would sit in jail for a year or more just waiting for a trial when in many cases you could walk free by pleading guilt to some lessor crime innocent or not?

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Let me ask you this, Hawkeye -- if you were unjustly accused of a crime you did not commit, would you cop a plea to avoid a trial? Honestly?

You're talking to a weird mindset here, Hawkeye could well be guilty of rape, but still see himself as innocent, and cop a plea, because his definition of rape is completely out of whack with society's. Same with Bill, an innocent man would want to clear their name, these two are people you would not let near your children.

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@BillRM,

Well actually even though that wasn't directed at me, If I was innocent heck yeah.

Any crime gives you a record.

Which has implimentations.

I agree on one thing, that is, there are too many laws, that involve gaol and that some, could be changed as the gaols are over-crowded to start with and secondly, it can truly stuff someone's mind for a stupid law.

I am reminded of being 18..Just...

I didn't pay a parking fine... They apparently sent me notice that if not paid I would go to gaol.

I did. Over night, balling my eyes out on this cold cement slab of a .... with one pillow and one blanket. They offered me another blanket and I refused. I was bewildered, WT? I had no notice issued let alone a fine?

The next day, the Judge found that the notice had been on the desk at Port Adelaide, not served.

Sorry Miss P... you may go now.

My Mother had spend most of the night trying to get me out.

I was 18, that is not very old to be chucked in gaol... I just learnt to spread my wings. Fortunately, it didn't effect me for much longer than that night, after that I just got angry and then forgot about it..

It was principal... I'd go there again if I was innocent.. Prob still cry cause I have a soft side, as well as a beatch side.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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It was principal... I'd go there again if I was innocent.. Prob still cry cause I have a soft side, as well as a beatch side.

Principals are nice however if a man had a family to support spending a year in jail waiting for his day in court when he could take a plea and walk free for time already service and therefore to be able to once more support his family might be too large a price to pay for his principals.

Or for that matter if a woman had children who the state will placed in state care while she wait for her day in court the price for principals might be too large to bear.

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@BillRM,

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if you were unjustly accused of a crime you did not commit, would you cop a plea to avoid a trial? Honestly?

BillRM wrote:

So you would sit in jail for a year or more just waiting for a trial
when in many cases you could walk free by pleading guilt to some lessor
crime innocent or not?

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@OmSigDAVID,

giggles

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@cs33717,

Does anyone know the expiration of Whoop Ass? I opened a can of it last week and wondering if it's still good, okay thanks bye Cool

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@jcboy,

I don't believe there is an expiration date of Whoop Ass jcboy... Once opened, that's it, it's whooped:)

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