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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 12:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
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it was not required thus he likely did not have it..

Bodily Injury Liability coverage is required in Florida, and most auto insurance policies, in all states, include it.

You would drive without such coverage?
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jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:00 pm
Lancaster2409 wrote:

I dunno, maybe the guy Thom was blowing that night...? Nobody gives a **** who Don is.


He's your grandfather.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:00 pm
@Lancaster2409,
Is there any particular reason you suddenly showed up at A2K to post in this thread?
jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:02 pm
@firefly,
He's probably another drama queen in town. Or someone who just found this thread and tried to play us.
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Lancaster2409
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:03 pm
@jcboy,
Sure is. Passed away 3 days after my father did. And your bringing him up why?
jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:04 pm
@Lancaster2409,
Lancaster2409 wrote:

Sure is. Passed away 3 days after my father did. And your bringing him up why?


Nice try but that was also in the thread, what was your grandmothers name?
Lancaster2409
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:05 pm
@jcboy,
Jaqueline
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:14 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
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Drunk drivers are morally retarded because they DON'T CARE if they kill anybody.


An a drunk cyclist at night with likely no lights on is stating I don't give a **** if I am killed?

Even with a zero BAC and with at least 8,000 miles of night cycling myself I had knocked down a night cyclist unlit and going against the traffic flow.

Looking in the direct of the traffic flow to the left in order to do a right turn onto another street this fool came out of nowhere cheerfully cycling in the wrong direction.

Luck was on his side as no harm was done but he could had been killed as a result of his own carelessness not mine and that would have been independent of even if my BAC have not been zero.
jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:16 pm
@Lancaster2409,
That was too easy, I forgot her name was also in the link:

Quote:
Barry Lancaster was born Dec. 22, 1964, in Kankakee, the son of Donald and Jacqueline Larkins Lancaster. He was an avid bowler. He enjoyed all sports, especially the Chicago teams. Barry was a truck driver for many years. He loved the outdoors, fishing, loud music and being around friends and family.


But I'm still not buying it because both families know how Thom died.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:17 pm
There are two sorts of cyclists-
1- "CYCLISTS" are responsible and careful at all times
2- "PEDALLERS" are just slobs on bikes..Smile
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Lancaster2409
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:20 pm
@jcboy,
So how did he die?
jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:23 pm
@Lancaster2409,
Lancaster2409 wrote:

So how did he die?


I'm not posting it on here. Barry's children already know how he died.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:24 pm
@BillRM,
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An a drunk cyclist at night with likely no lights on is stating I don't give a **** if I am killed?

How do you know the cyclist was drunk or that his bike had no lights?

How would that excuse the driver of a car from driving drunk?

How would that excuse the driver of a car from leaving the scene after his vehicle has struck someone?

People shouldn't drive drunk. People shouldn't ride bikes while drunk.

Two men are dead, the deaths of both are tragic. What the hell is the point of arguing now about relative liability?

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Lancaster2409
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:27 pm
@jcboy,
Well, unfortunately we don't. But hopefully it was quick and painless. Sorry for the loss of your friend.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:31 pm
Incidentally is it possible to ride a bike while drunk?
I saw a youtube vid of a drunk trying it but he kept falling off after just a few feet
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 01:41 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
Incidentally is it possible to ride a bike while drunk?
I saw a youtube vid of a drunk trying it but he kept falling off after just a few feet


Depend all one hell of a lot of factors as to how well the person can cyclist normally and how drunk he might be.

I never try it but I am fairly sure I could cycle with a BAC fairly high above the legal limit.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 05:27 pm
@firefly,
DAVID wrote:
Your idea of fairness is to mention the drunkeness of one of the drivers, but not the other one ?
firefly wrote:
Why should "fairness" even enter into what I said?
I 'll take that as a rhetorical question; (one that defines she who asks).


firefly wrote:
That Mr. Lancaster was killed by a drunk driver is all the factual information I have.

My idea of "fairness" is not to mention something I do not know to be fact about the cyclist.
Your admitted IGNORANCE is the foundation of your befouling the name
of one of the deceased parties to the collision, but not the other one !




firefly wrote:
I have no reliable factual information about the state of his sobriety,
nor do I think it's particularly relevant regarding the manner of his death.
The moral concept underlying and motivating the legal prohibition
of driving under the influence of alcohol is that impairment resulting
therefrom will reduce the degree of skill with which a driver operates
his vehicle, thus increasing the probability of loss of control.




firefly wrote:
Do you have access to Mr. Lancaster's medical records from that night?
Drunkeness has been attributed to both drivers.
So far as I 've heard, neither side has denied that.
If u wanna take such a radical epistemology of the situation:
I have no proof that either one of them was under the influence.




firefly wrote:
How do you know whether he was drunk?
Like Will Rogers, I only know what I read in the newspapers
(or in A2K) concerning both of them.



firefly wrote:
And what difference would it make?
It means that by his drunkeness, his negligence contributed
to his death, and very indirectly to Tom 's death.



firefly wrote:
Would it change the fact that he was hit by a car, and the driver of the car was charged
with DUI manslaughter and leaving the scene, and Mr. Lancaster died
as the result of his injuries?
Maybe; we don 't know the dynamics of the collision. Being "charged" proves nothing.
( Zimmy was "charged" with manslaughter n murder. )
It is possible that thru his drunken mis-use of the bike,
he crashed into Tom 's car. Nothing has been proven.

It appears that BOTH drivers were equally prohibited
from driving under the influence:


The 2013 Florida Statutes:

316.193 Driving under the influence; penalties.—
(1) A person is guilty of the offense of driving under the influence
and is subject to punishment as provided in subsection (2) if the person
is driving or in actual physical control of a vehicle within this state and:
(a) The person is under the influence of alcoholic beverages,
any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance
controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that
the person’s normal faculties are impaired;
(b) The person has a blood-alcohol level of 0.08 or more grams
of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood; or
(c) The person has a breath-alcohol level of 0.08 or more grams
of alcohol per 210 liters of breath.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 06:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:


http://tampaduilawyerblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/a-cyclist-can-be-charged-with-dui/


A Cyclist Can Be Charged With DUI
Posted on May 14, 2013
If you are a keen cyclist in Tampa and you also like to have a drink or two, then you should treat your cycle as if it was an auto when it comes to the law in Florida, as you can get a DUI for riding your bike.

You Can Legally Refuse an Alcohol Test When Stopped for DUI on a Cycle

Of the few cases of bicycle DUI in Tampa, the state was not given the opportunity to argue if the defendant refused to take a breathalyzer test. This is because the implied consent law is only applicable to motor vehicles and not bicycles.

Recent DUI on a Cycle Conviction

There was a recent criminal case in Florida when a defendant was pulled up for suspected DUI and then arrested for riding his bicycle while alcohol impaired. It was a third conviction for him and the earlier DUI conviction took place within 10 years. A third conviction, under Florida law, which has taken place within ten years will normally mean suspension of the driver’s license for a minimum of 10 years.

In this instance, the defendant pleaded no contest to the charge of DUI, but his defense lawyer placed an appeal for the 10 year suspension of the driver’s license. He presented an argument by stating that this did not apply to cyclists. The Florida court stood firm and said that the word “driver,” as referred to in Tampa and Florida DUI laws, means anyone who is in actual physical control of any vehicle on a road. “Vehicle” has a broad definition but generally means a device that is used by a person as a means of road transport. These definitions, how ever broad they may seem, do apply to bicycle riders under Florida DUI laws.

In summary, if you are DUI in a motor vehicle then you can also be considered DUI on a bicycle. The first case for a bicycle DUI case in Florida occurred in the 1980’s on Duval Street in Key West. Since that incident, DUI cases involving cyclists do take place and many of them have resulted in charges and subsequent prosecutions in the Tampa Bay district, which includes Pinellas County.

Avoid DUI on a Cycle by Not Drinking

If you are a cyclist the only sensible thing to is to avoid drinking alcohol if you intend to go out for a ride. If you don’t, you will have to be prepared to be stopped for DUI and go through the same process as a motorized vehicle driver. This involves submitting to sobriety tests and blood tests if required. This will mean you will have to take on the services of a DUI Tampa lawyer to help defend and fight for you and ensure that you do not get a conviction.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 10:12 pm
@Lancaster2409,
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Re: firefly (Post 5542584)
Is there any particular reason you are a faggot?


LOL I must be missing something by having Firefly on ignore.
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