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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 04:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Exactly what do you think the state was "doing to them"?

Why do you think a family, about to bury 3 family members, all victims of drunk driving, would object to three more people at a funeral? Given the reason the judge offered these 3 defendants the alternative of attending this funeral, to impress on them the consequences of drunk driving, the family might well have approved.

As I said before, unless specified otherwise, funerals are open to the public--even strangers can wander in if they desire to do so.

This was the public notice of the funeral, visitation, and burial
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Funeral services for Aaron, 34, and Allison Deutscher, 36, and their daughter, Brielle, 1 ½, West Fargo, ND, who died in a tragic motor vehicle collision on Friday, July 6, 2012, will be held at 2:00 pm Thursday, July 12, at Trinity Lutheran Church in Moorhead, MN. Visitation will be held from 5-9 pm Wednesday, July 11, at Parkway Funeral Service, 2330 Tyler Parkway, Bismarck, where a prayer service will begin at 7:00 pm. Visitation will continue from 12:00 noon - 2:00 pm Thursday at Trinity Lutheran Church, Moorhead.

Graveside services will be held at Fairview Cemetery in Bismarck on Friday.
http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/366924/

So, you'd rather these 3 defendants had been sentenced to spend 5 days in jail? That was the alternative.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 04:19 pm
@firefly,
Ya, I think that if I were grieving for a friend or a family member killed by a drunk that the last person I want polluting the atmosphere of the funeral is another drunk who is going through the motions of satisfying a demand of the state.

absolutely.

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So, you'd rather these 3 defendants had been sentenced to spend 5 days in jail? That was the alternative.
No, I would rather not have judges who pull this stunt.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 04:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I think that if I were grieving for a friend or a family member killed by a drunk that the last person I want polluting the atmosphere of the funeral is another drunk who is going through the motions of satisfying a demand of the state.

That's you.

I think I would feel differently about it. And this funeral was open to the public.

Attending a funeral like that can be a very sobering experience. Probably moreso than having someone do community service in a morgue to see drunk driving victims there--a sentence judges sometimes also impose on drunk drivers. At the funeral, you can also see the grief that these deaths cause.

The alternative in this case was 5 days in jail.



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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 04:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Ya, I think that if I were grieving for a friend or a family member killed by a drunk that the last person I want polluting the atmosphere of the funeral is another drunk who is going through the motions of satisfying a demand of the state.

absolutely.


I agree that it would be upsetting if I didn't have a part in arranging for the attendance of the random drunk drivers.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 04:43 pm
@ehBeth,
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I agree that it would be upsetting if I didn't have a part in arranging for the attendance of the random drunk drivers.

The judge may well have discussed this with the family beforehand.

And it was only 3 people who might not have been identifiable to others at the funeral. Likely other strangers attended this funeral as well.

At least 2 members of the family have spoken out publicly asking for tougher and more effective measures to deal with and deter drunken driving.

This was the judge's rationale...
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Drunken driving offenders choose funeral over jail
Friday, July 27, 2012

FARGO, N.D. (AP) — Three drunken driving offenders attended the funeral of a West Fargo family that was killed by a drunken driver after a municipal judge gave them a choice: Go to the funeral, or spend five days in the county jail.

One of the offenders, Allan Bakkerud, 55, of Fargo, wrote a letter afterward to Judge Steve Dawson, saying he would have difficulty coping if he killed someone as the result of his own drinking and driving.

"It made me sick to my stomach," Bakkerud wrote of his experience at the funeral. "Four lives were taken, when they had a lifetime they never got."

The Forum reported Friday (http://bit.ly/LVt6am ) that Bakkerud and two other offenders, Shantel Netterville, 26, of Fargo, and Michael G. Hanson, 44, of West Fargo, attended the July 12 funeral rather than serve five days in jail.

The three weren't involved in the July 6 wreck that killed Allison Deutscher; her husband, Aaron Deutscher, and the couple's 18-month-old daughter, Brielle. The family was killed when a pickup truck driven by Wyatt Klein, 28, of Jamestown, collided with the Deutschers' SUV.

Klein, who also died in the wreck, was driving the wrong way in the westbound lanes of Interstate 94 when the vehicles slammed head-on about 30 miles west of Jamestown.

Dawson said DUI offenders often are sentenced to attend victim impact panels to impress upon them how drinking and driving affects the lives of victims and their families.

"But this was such a horrific event and so recent, that I wanted to use this to kind of convey that message right then and there," Dawson told The Forum.

Klein's blood-alcohol content was 0.25 percent, three times the 0.08 limit at which a person is considered to be under the influence by state law.

Dawson said he hadn't wanted to intrude on the Deutschers' family with his sentence, but he reasoned that the public attention paid to the accident meant others would be there who did not know the victims.

"I think it's useful for people to realize just what kind of tragedy can result from their behavior and how it affects real lives and real families," Dawson said. "So often people in the position of drinking and driving just lose sight of that and, of course, always believe that this won't happen to them."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Drunken-driving-offenders-take-funeral-over-jail-3740218.php
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 05:37 pm
@firefly,
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I think it's useful for people to realize just what kind of tragedy can result from their behavior and how it affects real lives and real families," Dawson said. So often people in the position of drinking and driving just lose sight of that and, of course, always believe that this won't happen to them."

So after someone is killed drunks dont have the wisdom or the empathy to understand the magnitude of what has happened he claims.....based upon what evidence? Surely not our THom, of whom it is claimed that he has been a wreck and losing weight. Without proof that these people are defective as it is claimed this is demeaning and slanderous assertions of the state towards its citizens. It should be condemned, not cheered by you Firefly. As we see so often you here are found on the side of wrong.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 09:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
These 3 people hadn't killed anyone, Hawkeye.

The judge was trying to make sure they didn't have a repeat offense of drunk driving by letting them see, first hand, the tragic consequences that can occur. And attending that funeral does seem to have made an emotional impact on at least one of them.
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Without proof that these people are defective as it is claimed this is demeaning and slanderous assertions of the state towards its citizens. It should be condemned..

Knock off the pompous posturing, Hawkeye.

These 3 people had already been convicted of drunk driving, so they apparently hadn't considered, or had disregarded, the possible consequences of impaired driving when they got behind the wheel drunk. The judge wanted to try to make sure they didn't do that again. I wouldn't condemn him for that--he was trying to help save lives.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 09:38 pm
@firefly,
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he was trying to help save lives.


And we know dont we that SAFETY! trumps all arguments and all other forms of good.

Liberty? Justice? Truth?.......they aint got nothing on SAFETY!

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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2012 06:56 pm
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EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 02:39 pm
If I remember correctly, Thom goes back to court this coming Monday. More pre-trail hearings, he may not actually go to trail for another year.
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BeachBoy
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 11:09 pm
Thom obviously hasn’t learned to keep his mouth shut. The truth came out tonight. He wasn't even driving his own car, he was driving Michaels car and Michael was in the car with him! Well good luck Thom for picking your friends wisely, Michael is nothing but a bar drunk. Hello! his boyfriend is a bartender at Georgies!

The police were not at Georgies to check Thom’s bar tab they were viewing the video to see how much he drank.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 11:41 pm
@BeachBoy,
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Michael is nothing but a bar drunk. Hello! his boyfriend is a bartender at Georgies!


So having a lover who is a bartender say anything about the passenger in the car and what difference who car he was driving make or if the passenger was a drunk or not for that matter.

Strange post indeed...............
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 12:08 am
@BeachBoy,
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Thom obviously hasn’t learned to keep his mouth shut. The truth came out tonight. He wasn't even driving his own car,

I wish Thom would clue us in on how he ended up on that block going in that direction, as it makes no sense to me. I assume that for some reason he was backtracking home and had just turned the corner thus had almost no time to see Barry and avoid the drunk bicyclist, but at this point IDK.
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EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 07:26 am
@BeachBoy,
Sounds like drunk posting to me.
MMarciano
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 09:22 am
@EqualityFLSTPete,
I’m sure it was considering the source and the time it was posted, however true.

Thom was driving Michael’s car and Michael was with him when he hit the man on the bicycle.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 10:51 am
@MMarciano,
That might make Michael civilly liable for being negligent in allowing Thom to drive his car while impaired.
Sloan
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 12:59 pm
@firefly,
As far as I know they haven't charged Michael with anything, he just going to be a witness.
jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 05:04 pm
@Sloan,
True but firefly is talking about him being civilly liable which is different.
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Tate12
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 12:29 pm
I find it peculiar that all of a sudden Thom was in Michael car. Perhaps the individual that is making the statement is inaccurate. Strong sources has it documented that it was Thom vehicle that hit Barry. Also if you do your research Thom was with another. So who's to say the current information is correct?
Wildhourses
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 01:10 pm
@Tate12,
It was Michael’s car and Michael was with him The same Michael that found Greg Sparks dead in his home.
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