I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

BTW innocent is in quotes because I guy I know this year was killed in a drunk driving event....4 drunks in the car had been drinking together all night, the driver lived the rest did not, all were idiots who are dead because of their own stupidity, not because the laws are not written correctly. He was not at all innocent in his own death.

Was the driver of the 4 drunks sober ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Was the driver of the 4 drunks sober

No, he was one of the drunks. My position is that when a drunk gets in a car that a known drunk is going to drive and ends up dead then the state should take to action to avenge his death.

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@hawkeye10,

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The postition that drunk driving is a problem which needs even more harsh remedies than those which have already been put into place has not to this point been proven.

Who said the problem needs more harsh remedies?

Jason Kidd potentially faces a year in jail if convicted of DUI in NY. That's an already existing remedy. He faces loss of his license for a year for refusing all chemical blood and breath tests. That's an already existing remedy.

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So we are talking about taking away my right to have dinner and drinks and drive home ...

Who is talking about taking away your "right" to do that? No one posting in this thread.

You can have dinner and drinks and drive home legally if your BAC is not above .08.

No one even took away Jason Kidd's "right" to get in his car and drive, even through he was apparently falling-down drunk.

As I said before, you didn't challenge anything. You seem to be tilting at windmills.

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I vote no.

Big deal. You vote no.

That's really going to have people quaking in their boots and wanting to burn you at the stake for challenging their "cherished beliefs". Laughing

You flatter yourself. No one would even waste a match on you. Laughing

Your pompous self-important posturing is not a challenge--to anything.

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@hawkeye10,

DAVID wrote:

Was the driver of the 4 drunks sober

hawkeye10 wrote:

No, he was one of the drunks.
My position is that when a drunk gets in a car
that a known drunk is going to drive and ends up dead
then the state should take to action to avenge his death.

1. I take it that u meant NO action, and
2. I deem your position to make sense.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I take it that u meant NO action

Yes.

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@firefly,

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Who said the problem needs more harsh remedies?

You did

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@hawkeye10,

I'm not proposing harsher remedies for drunk driving.

You're tilting at windmills.

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@firefly,

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I'm not proposing harsher remedies for drunk driving.

Just like you claim you dont want harsher penalties for men's sexual treatment of women......but wait, you are all for redefining rape downwards and against men.

You are in favor of a new lower BAC limit and for constant machine monitoring of all drivers for the BAC levels......you are in favor of more harsh remedies for the alcohol impaired driver problem.

Firefly, always ready and willing to try to pull off a Clinton. You do realize I hope that what you accomplish is communicating to us that you dont like honesty and that you are too smart by half. It is people like you who give the elites a bad name ( and although you refuse to be honest about who you are on the board here I have no doubt but that you are a member of the elite)

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@firefly,

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JASON KIDD’S late-night DWI crash turned his Cadillac SUV into a full-court mess.

An this is a .08 driver?.........nonsense.

People who are in fact drunk do kill themselves but so far your examples are not making the point to keep lowering the standards for what is or is not drunk driving.

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@hawkeye10,

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You are in favor of a new lower BAC limit

No I'm not. Never said anything like that.

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You are in favor of...for constant machine monitoring of all drivers for the BAC levels

What? I've never said that either--or anything like it. Why would I want constant monitoring of all drivers? That's absurd.

I think the ignition interlocks, which are an already existing remedy, for those convicted of DUI, are a benefit to those drivers because it allows them to continue driving legally rather than have their licenses completely suspended.

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you are in favor of more harsh remedies for the alcohol impaired driver problem

No, not at all. I've never even thought about harsher remedies, let alone proposed any.

I support the existing drunk driving laws, just as I support the existing sexual assault laws--and I haven't proposed harsher remedies for either of them.

You fabricate so much crap about me, I think you wind up believing your own distortions and delusions. You are a nutcase. You need a straw-man so badly, you invent them.

Go tilt at more windmills. Laughing

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@hawkeye10,

Yes Hawkeye she posted examples of people killings and or hurting themselves or others who are or are likely to be way over the legal limit of .08 as if that make a case for even lowering the limit even more.

Who is she fooling by so doing?

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@BillRM,

No, I've never said the legal limit should be below .08.

I support the existing laws.

You and Hawkeye seem to be suffering from a folie à deux.

You're both nuts. Laughing

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@firefly,

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No, I've never said the legal limit should be below .08.

I support the existing laws.

An yet you had posted one comment/article after another of others who are in favor of lowing the limit even more hell one fool even to zero!!!!!!!!!!!

Somehow if you are not in favor of even lower limits it would make no sense to repost such articles that call for even lower limits.

Just being your normal dishonest self Firefly???????????????

Oh I do support the law as it was before it was lower from .1 to .08, however I would be even happier and support a graded law that punish drivers for DUI starting perhaps even with .08.

As a .08 driver is running a risk similar to talking on a cell phone the same punishment that some states give for using a non-hand free cell phones would be apply to him or her.

Serous punishment should start at the point the driver BAC levels become a serous threat to the public safety that is beyond someone talking on a cell phone and that is not at .08 or near .08!!!!!!!!!

Now I am still waiting for the posting of a news story by you where someone had wrapped their car around a telephone pole or such and was found to have a BAC anywhere near to .08.

Give examples not of someone that is at .16 or higher but someone at the lower limits that is being challenge here as no one that I know of on this thread is challenging the law and it punishments for higher BAC drivers.

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@BillRM,

Sorry, BillRM, I have never said I wanted the legal BAC lowered below .08.

Sober up, buddy, Drunk

I support the existing laws and have never said otherwise.

Let me know when you and Hawkeye re-connect with reality. Laughing

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@firefly,

So you posted articles from people calling for lower limits even a zero limit on BAC and yet you do not wish for a lower limit then .08!!!!!!!!

Right dear we are all willing to grant you the credibility that your postings had earn you over the years IE none at all.

Footnote concerning your example of Kidd and how drunk he likely to had been.

He was not a BAC driver near the lower limit it would appear.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/16/jason-kidd-arrest-mug-shot/

As TMZ first reported, Kidd was described by several witnesses at a club in East Hampton as being incredibly drunk ... so much so that he had to be carried out.

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@BillRM,

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So you posted articles from people calling for lower limits even a zero limit on BAC and yet you do not wish for a lower limit then .08!!!!!!!!

I never posted anything calling for a legal BAC level of zero.

But, in the case of the other articles, I thought they were interesting articles worthy of discussion. Did I say that I agreed with the articles or that they reflected my views when I posted them? I felt they provided food for thought. I think food for thought is important. That doesn't mean I am promoting or advocating anything.

Some of us actually like to discuss issues, BillRM, all aspects of the issues, and that involves seriously considering other points of view--something you are too narrow-minded to even comprehend. You fixate on one position and relentlessly repeat it over and over and over, without sufficiently considering other aspects, or conflicting views, and that seems to be the case with you, no matter what the topic is. And that's why people can't engage in anything approximating a real discussion with you--there is no real interchange or exchange of ideas with you, you just keep reiterating your same few points over and over and over. That's not a discussion. It's not even a debate. It's just boring repetition.

I'm not bashful about expressing my opinions, dummy. If I wanted a legal BAC level below .08, I'd say so.

And that info about Jason Kidd you've just come up with was in the news stories and articles I previously posted about him. I also described him as "falling-down drunk".

He might well wind up going to jail.

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@firefly,

I'm going to be driving to Paris next week. One of the new requirements for driving in France is a DIY breathaliser kit. Actually I need two, in case one is faulty.

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@izzythepush,

For the French wine ?
Thay require u to drink enuf ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

I don't know exactly what the reason is, but I had to spend £58 on various bits of kit to drive legally over there.

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@firefly,

Well dear digging back I found one reposting of your supporting a .05 limit and I bet I could find lower limits repostings if I keep digging back further.

If you did not support that message there would be no point in posting it without any comments.

You do however depend a lot on google not indexing this website completely to get away with such disclaimers.

http://able2know.org/topic/182157-127#post-5046733

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