I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@firefly,

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That illogical conclusion suggests your brain is already suffering cognitive damage from the effects of excessive alcohol consumption. Just how much do you have to drink, BillRM, before you are even aware you are impaired?

LOL so the founder of MADD and I are both alcoholic as we share similar opinions concerning BAC levels and driving????????

Let see also by daring to disagree with you on how severe the punishments for CP should be I am clearly a collector of such materials and now by daring to disagree with you on the cut off point for DUI driving I am also a drunk that commonly drive under the influence myself.

Oh I forgot by your statements that my sex life revolved around dragging off semi conscious drunken women to have sex with.

Your debating style seems to need a little work concerning ad hominem attacks.

But please do not stop as it is very amusing.

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@firefly,

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Sorry if a BAC level of .08 is too low for you. The rest of the world recognizes that as the uppermost permissible limit--based on the demonstrable effects of significant impairment at that level.

That is why Congress needed to force that BAC level on the states by threats to their highway funding?

Seems there is some disagreements that are being overrule by the power of the Federal government.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

LOL so the founder of MADD and I are both alcoholic as we share similar opinions concerning BAC levels and driving????????

Candy Lightner:

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"If you want to drink, that's your business. But as soon as you drink and get behind the wheel of a car, it becomes my business."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Lightner

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@BillRM,

You have previously said in this thread that you believe that at .08 BAC significant impairment cannot be detected. So, I am asking you a very simple question--how much do you have to drink before you realize you are impaired?

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@firefly,

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You have previously said in this thread that you believe that at .08 BAC significant impairment cannot be detected. So, I am asking you a very simple question--how much do you have to drink before you realize you are impaired?

Sorry dear I said that for most drivers an outside observer such as the police officer just watching the drivers drive down the roadway can not likely tell the difference between a driver at BAC of zero and one at .08.

That is the reason that the police need road block checks to find such low BAC level drivers.

But I am sure you did understood my statements the first time around and once more just being your cute dishonest self.

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@ehBeth,

An that quote of the lady you had kindly provided in what way challenge her position that MADD had gone overboard in attacking drivers with fairly low level BAC such as .08?

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@BillRM,

No, they don't find such impaired drivers only at roadblocks--they also find them after crashes or after collisions with pedestrians.

And you previously said in this thread that impairment at a .08 level is not detectable. Your entire argument in favor of raising the legal BAC way beyond .08 is based on your erroneous belief that at .08 there is no significant driver impairment.

So, again, I am asking you a very simple question--how much do you have to drink before you realize you are impaired? Why can't you answer that question?

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@firefly,

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they also find them after crashes or after collisions with pedestrians.

Sorry dear please post one story where someone who had a BAC anywhere need .08 had driven full tilt into a wall, telephone pole or a stop car and so on!!!!!!!!!!!

Finding people driving at BAC level of 1.6 or higher is not hard to do but driving behaviors at .08 is too similar to driving behaviors at BAC at zero for those drivers to stand out.

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@BillRM,

And you previously said in this thread that driver impairment at a .08 level is not detectable, and you are still insisting that is the case. Your entire argument in favor of raising the legal BAC way beyond .08 is based on your erroneous belief that at .08 there is no significant driver impairment.

So, again, I am asking you a very simple question--how much do you have to drink before you realize you are impaired? Why can't you answer that question?

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@firefly,

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And you previously said in this thread that impairment at a .08 level is not detectable. Your entire argument in favor of raising the legal BAC way beyond .08 is based on your erroneous belief that at .08 there is no significant driver impairment

I would love to see you post a full statement of mine that said any such thing.

Yes I know you might be able to find a statement of mine by cutting part of it off would seems to say that but let see you post a full non edit statement of mine that would state any such thing.

You are having problems attackings the positions I am taking so you are once more making up positions to attack it would seems.

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@BillRM,

So, are you then admitting that at a BAC of .08 there is significant driver impairment?

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@firefly,

significant?????????????

Well that is a value judgment of what is or is not significant and such drivers are as impair to roughly the same level of a person talking on a cell phone or who had miss a night sleep.

Most drivers are not push outside the normal envelope of drivings skills by talking on a cell phone or by a BAC of .08.

A BAC of .08 is as significant or not significant as a large numbers of other conditions we all drive under from time to time.

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@BillRM,

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Well that is a value judgment of what is or is not significant

No, it's not a value judgment, they objectively measure driving skills and driver errors made.

All of this has previously been covered in this thread--many times----along with the research results on driver impairments which are evident at various BAC levels, due to the fact that alcohol is a central nervous system depressant and affects numerous abilities and functions involved in driving. At BAC .08, significant driver impairment can be objectively demonstrated.

As usual, you are ignoring the known facts about alcohol's effects on the human body, and you are continuing to make the same uninformed and ignorant remarks over and over and over. Either you must enjoy going around in circles and repeating yourself, or you have severe memory impairments. Drunk

You don't have to keep proving how ignorant you are. We've gotten the message.

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@firefly,

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No, it's not a value judgment, they objectively measure driving skills and driver errors made.

It completely subjected repeat subjected if any given decrease in driving skills have reach a level of being significant or not!!!!!!!!!!

If you consider .08 significant enough to call for harsh punishments then by normal logical driving when lacking a night sleep or talking on a cell phone that decrease driving skills to roughly the same degree should call for the same level of punishments.

Those road blocks should be doing blood tests to see if you had miss a night sleep and if so off to jail you go.

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@BillRM,

Yawn....

Go pour yourself another drink, BillRM. Drunk

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I posted this before, but it seems worth posting again.

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Our drunk driving laws are a joke
By Jeff Edelstein
Columnist
July 13, 2012

I’ve written here before, but it’s worth mentioning it again: Our drunk driving laws make absolutely no sense.

All across this great land of ours, if you have a blood alcohol content (BAC) level of .08 or above, you are over the “legal limit.” As such, if you decide to drive a car and get pulled over, you’re going to get a drunk driving ticket.

You’re also probably completely blitzed.

Plain and simple: The .08 BAC barrier doesn’t go far enough.

I’m a drinker. Not a point of pride, but a fact. I enjoy my bourbon. And beer. And wine. I’m not a lightweight. I can hold my booze. I also weigh about a buck ninety, and so, according to every BAC calculator I’ve come across, if, over the course of two hours, I drank five beers, or five shots of bourbon, or five glasses of wine (which would be a full bottle of wine, for the record) I would still be just under the legal limit. Yep. Under. And let me also tell you this: While I wouldn’t be fall-down drunk, I’d certainly be leaning-against-the-nearest-wall drunk. In short, I’d have absolutely no business getting behind the wheel of a car.

And we wonder why over 10,000 Americans still die each year in drunk driving accidents, according to the United States Department of Transportation, and why almost 40 percent of all fatal accidents involve alcohol in one form or another.
Really, consider that last number: Four in 10 traffic fatalities involve alcohol. That’s a shocking, scary figure.

So what to do? Well, I truly believe the legal limit should be knocked down to at least .05. I’m not alone in that either, as .05 is supported by the World Medical Association, the American and British Medical Associations, the European Commission, the European Transport Safety Council, the World Health Organization and the American College of Emergency Physicians. It’s also the limit in numerous other countries, including Belgium, Germany and France.

Speaking of France, as of last week, a new law was enacted forcing all motorists to carry in their car, at all times, single-use breathalyzer tests. The idea being simple: You might check yourself before (trying so hard not to say it and failing) you wreck yourself.

Honestly, I’m pretty much for this idea as well.

I’m no saint, and I don’t like the government getting into my business, but this is not that. Drunk driving kills over 3,500 non-drunk people a year. Almost 10 people a day, just going about their business, killed by drunk drivers.

So yes. Booze is, and should be, legal. But drunk driving should be a more serious offense than it is now, and the blood alcohol legal limit levels are a joke.

Seriously. I know myself. And I know if I drink a bottle of wine over a two-hour period, I am going to be wasted. And legally allowed to drive.

Jeff Edelstein is a columnist for The Trentonian newspaper in Trenton, N.J. He can be reached at [email protected], facebook.com/jeffreyedelstein and twitter.com/jeffedelstein
http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20120713/OPINION03/120719740/our-drunk-driving-laws-are-a-joke

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@firefly,

So how far does he want to go??? I'll bet .03BAC. The next turn of the ratchet will be .05 because it sounds good, but it will not be the lest turn unless the zealots are not stopped. Even a glass of wine with dinner out will be illegal then, just as it is across much of the Muslim world.

Fundimentalism, we has a BAD case of that!

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@firefly,

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All across this great land of ours, if you have a blood alcohol content (BAC) level of .08 or above, you are over the “legal limit.” As such, if you decide to drive a car and get pulled over, you’re going to get a drunk driving ticket.

You’re also probably completely blitzed.

So Hawkeye is once more right in that you are supporting a zero or near zero BAC level.

Sorry but the gentleman quoted is full of **** as .08 is not being completely blitzed or anywhere near to that state.

No study support the idea that the degrading of driving skills at .08 is anywhere similar to a 1.6 BAC for example where you would indeed be totally blitzed. Such levels is similar to driving after missing one night sleep or talking on a cell phone.

Nor does real life have .08 drivers going the wrong way on super highways or running off the road into telephone poles or doing other similar deeds of the truly blitzed drivers.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye the FAA set it limit for flying planes at .04 but I would not be surprise if the fireflies of the world would wish to go to zero.

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@BillRM,

I'm not a firefly, billy boy. but I don't think commercial pilots have any business with a drop of alcohol in their system while they are in the air.

what in the **** are you thinking...?

let's just raise the limit to 2.o and give them free cocktails in flight like the first class honchos...

Rolling Eyes

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