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Must Scientific Knowledge Be Considered Relative?

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:41 pm
I suppose scientific knowledge is relative to science. Cool
JLNobody
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2014 07:55 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I get the impression that while science and some philosophy pursue the relative, Some philosophy and (mystical) religion pursue the ultimate.
I prefer not to consider that fundamentalist "religion" which I consider a kind of magically-oriented pseudo science.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:18 am
'modern science'is here for purely manipulative reasons: to control the masses!


Most of modern 'science' is gobbledegook , rubbish, shite and bollocks!


Hence the people who 'belieive' in this nonsenseical garbage, are following a religion!


Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 05:40 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

In the philosophy and sociology of science, there is a school of thought that scientific research is driven by cultural, social, political, and even financial profit frameworks. Thus, the view that scientific facts are objective is being attacked.

This is a complex issue that involves philosophy, anthropology, sociology and the scientific method itself.

Any thoughts?


Only that their are still mysteries yet to be discovered and many of their theories that cannot be proven or demonstrated.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 01:34 pm
@Rickoshay75,
If it can be verified through repetition, the likelihood that it's true has a high level of confidence.
layman
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2015 03:40 am
"The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are racist. The law of gravity is racist." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

Says it all, don't it?
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2015 03:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

If it can be verified through repetition, the likelihood that it's true has a high level of confidence.


True, but only if the repetition is performed by independent observers, not by those with vested interests.

“You want people walking away from the conversation with some kernel of wisdom or some kind of impact.” Henry Dean Stanton
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2015 09:35 pm
@JLNobody,
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There is also a strong tendency to divide human reality into an essentialism emphasizing the predominance of NATURE vs. the artificialism or constructivism of CULTURE. Everyone acknowledges the reality of both, but we tend to weight them differently....What I find most interesting in this pattern is that it seems to reflect a fundamental dualism running deep within us. We spontaneously (perhaps as a personality trait) emphasize either subjectivism/ relativism/ idealism, etc. or we emphasize objectivism/ absolutism/ realism, etc..


Excellent post, JL (yeah, I know, I'm kinda late getting here).

Your suggestion of personality trait(s) playing a big part appeals to me. There have probably been a number of psychological studies done on this topic, but I don't follow them, so I don't know.

In my own experience, though, I have consistently been unable to avoid correlating people's stances on such topics with their apparent personality traits. But I don't know if I really see a consistent pattern. It seems people will often play "devils advocate" and adopt a viewpoint they really don't prefer, if they think it suits their ends and purposes at the time.

Speaking for myself, I certainly acknowledge a significant degree of "flux," uncertainty, subjectivity, and relativity in our affairs, both social and intellectual. That said, my personality seems to naturally clash with those who want to (over)emphasize the role such things play. Needless to say, that goes triple for people who are fanatical about glorifying subjectivity, etc.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 02:31 pm
I don't know about relative but certainly incomplete and partial...I think Spock and Nimoy would agree...

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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 04:50 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

'modern science'is here for purely manipulative reasons: to control the masses!


Most of modern 'science' is gobbledegook , rubbish, shite and bollocks!


Hence the people who 'belieive' in this nonsenseical garbage, are following a religion!

>>

I don't mind scientific theories, as long as they don't scare people with their unprovable doom and gloom theories, and claim they have the power to predict the the bleak future. However, many of their outlandish theories turn into good SCI FI plots and that's a plus.
grainsofsand
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 05:23 pm
@wandeljw,
the real and apperent world
what are the factors leading to error or deception?
are you implying moralitly?
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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2015 02:44 am
@Rickoshay75,
Yeah, we wouldn't want to scare the kids with unprovable doom and gloom hypotheses that claim they have the power to predict the bleak future.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2016 11:11 pm
I think what all of you are trying to say is that each of us is the center of the world. Without the me, the rest doesn't exist.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2016 07:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I think what all of you are trying to say is that each of us is the center of the world. Without the me, the rest doesn't exist.

Did you read my post? My post is several thousand miles away from that sentiment.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2016 08:15 am
@cicerone imposter,
To deny that we are all ego centric beings is to deny reality. But that does not imply that others are not just as 'real'. To the contrary, without others, you would cease to exist.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2016 11:58 am
@tsarstepan,
Maybe, you just need to ignore my posts. Put me on Ignore. PLZ.
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 02:29 pm
@wandeljw,
Well science takes its premises as givens; The world is rational and uniform, for example. And its conclusions always need to be correlated with reality. The answer to how many boys does it take to mow the lawn might be 3.2 boys but until you use 'man hours' you have no real answer.
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 02:31 pm
@tsarstepan,
Funny you picked the Civil War because where I live they (many) have a most degrading view of Lincoln, much different from how I was taught in the NorthEast. But you will find that this is utterly non-relative in its bases. They think about Lincoln based on a conviction of States Rights or he violated Habeas Corpus or some such thing.
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 02:34 pm
@fresco,
No, it comes from the conviction (because we are human-- this is direct knowledge) that human beings share a nature. That is objective.
People use appeal to consensus as if what most people in most places have believed tends to be wrong. And there is no relativity in that.

You say 'ultimately' --- doesn't get more absolute than that.
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2016 02:27 pm
@wandeljw,
Relative and absolute both work from the same premise. Scientific knowledge is 'predicated' on assumptions taken for granted, eg, the lawlike behavior of the universe, the suitabillity of reality to thought. It is that latter view that really is the basis for how we consider Science.

The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve.
"The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences," Communications in Pure and Applied Mathematics, February 1960, final sentence.
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