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Sun 24 Jul, 2011 11:33 pm
It seems as if women are coming to a point where they will be spoiled. Now this is not to bash women, this is just what I'm observing. And I know the unhealthy past women have had with rights and whatnot. But looking at women and seeing how equality is rising, I see women being treated a touch better than men.
Now look at the way men act to women. It is polite to open a door for women, grab their hand as they climb a stair, sometimes even let them walk in front of you out of politeness and so forth. Now look at the tenderness we put on women. Men can't hit a woman or fight back, depending on the circumstance and the woman in a divorce gets to keep the child and house. And also it is the social obligation for a man to take care of his woman, though she may participate it is not mandatory. Some couples may follow this ideology or not, but just say it's the case for now.
From these women are privileged. From a social stand point women have the advantage, in a sense. Because most men who treat their woman with respect will do these polite things for her. But given this respect and also the equality along with it, women will not only have the social advantage but also the economic advantage? Maybe? And the equalities I'm speaking about are the monetary equalities which are businesses.
Now I'm all for monetary equality, if you work the same job with the same amount of hours, you deserve the same amount of pay. My problem is, if the pay is the same should the social norms be the same? For example, take two men who work the same job and they go to a bar they're most likely going to pay for their own drinks. But take a man and a woman, working the same job, they go to a bar and the man will buy his and the woman's drink, most likely.
See a man will always see a woman as "tender or soft" and what I mean is, "not as masculine." So he always feels that he needs to take care of her, unless he's just a very mean man, but this is the way we see it. So if a man feels like he needs to take care of a woman, in gentleman-like way, and this same woman makes an equal amount of money as he does, is it fair that he privileges her with his niceties?
Given that women are given all the rights and equalities as men and are still treated with the privileges we give them today, then it would seem that women are treated like queens. Because a man who has what he needs and now wants a woman is filled with lust, and will do what he must to get her, which are the many niceties we show them.
Now it used to be that women were house wives and men actually took care of them, though it was out of need, it was out of want as well. And though men were the caretaker they still showed politeness to women. But now today men have the same ideology as before, to be the caretaker. But now it's not that women need men to take care of them, it's that men want to, if they can. And given all things equal, men will always want to take care of a woman because of his masculinity. But is it fair that men should do so and women should accept the privileges men give them?
I would like to read your thoughts on this. Now I tried to be objective and correct me if I've mistaken something.
@JPhil,
Quote:It seems as if women are coming to a point where they will be spoiled
Will be?? A while back I posted on commentary on the Slutwalks which made the case that they are hilarious given that America's young women of today are the most privileged and spoiled women who have ever walked the Earth and yet they feel the need to take to the streets chanting about how oppressed they supposedly are. Who can take such a fantasy seriously?
Men get what we demand, if we wait around for women to give us what we deserve we will die waiting. Do you think that women respond well to be treated like queens? Most do not, it is the express lane to bitchdom. Make your own call, but I go the other way, I am all for dictating terms and telling women to take it or leave it. Women general respect men who know what they want and who go after it, especially if what we want is them. You will get some face slaps, but you will also bag the best women most of the time as your buddies go home and sit in front of their computer jacking off.
@JPhil,
men are weird in your part of the world.
@JPhil,
JPhil wrote:
It seems as if women are coming to a point where they will be spoiled. Now this is not to bash women, this is just what I'm observing. And I know the unhealthy past women have had with rights and whatnot. But looking at women and seeing how equality is rising, I see women being treated a touch better than men.
Now look at the way men act to women. It is polite to open a door for women, grab their hand as they climb a stair, sometimes even let them walk in front of you out of politeness and so forth. Now look at the tenderness we put on women. Men can't hit a woman or fight back, depending on the circumstance and the woman in a divorce gets to keep the child and house. And also it is the social obligation for a man to take care of his woman, though she may participate it is not mandatory. Some couples may follow this ideology or not, but just say it's the case for now.
From these women are privileged. From a social stand point women have the advantage, in a sense. Because most men who treat their woman with respect will do these polite things for her. But given this respect and also the equality along with it, women will not only have the social advantage but also the economic advantage? Maybe? And the equalities I'm speaking about are the monetary equalities which are businesses.
Now I'm all for monetary equality, if you work the same job with the same amount of hours, you deserve the same amount of pay. My problem is, if the pay is the same should the social norms be the same? For example, take two men who work the same job and they go to a bar they're most likely going to pay for their own drinks. But take a man and a woman, working the same job, they go to a bar and the man will buy his and the woman's drink, most likely.
See a man will always see a woman as "tender or soft" and what I mean is, "not as masculine." So he always feels that he needs to take care of her, unless he's just a very mean man, but this is the way we see it. So if a man feels like he needs to take care of a woman, in gentleman-like way, and this same woman makes an equal amount of money as he does, is it fair that he privileges her with his niceties?
Given that women are given all the rights and equalities as men and are still treated with the privileges we give them today, then it would seem that women are treated like queens. Because a man who has what he needs and now wants a woman is filled with lust, and will do what he must to get her, which are the many niceties we show them.
Now it used to be that women were house wives and men actually took care of them, though it was out of need, it was out of want as well. And though men were the caretaker they still showed politeness to women. But now today men have the same ideology as before, to be the caretaker. But now it's not that women need men to take care of them, it's that men want to, if they can. And given all things equal, men will always want to take care of a woman because of his masculinity. But is it fair that men should do so and women should accept the privileges men give them?
I would like to read your thoughts on this. Now I tried to be objective and correct me if I've mistaken something.
Honestly I do not feel threatened by women striking out to grab onto a little more what ever it is they are seeking to get from these walks. Let's face it, it has been a very short time that women have had the ability to do things they were never allowed to before. Do I think it is always fair? No but nothing ever is, but if you are loud enough you can make stuff happen. If they want to try and snatch up more rights or equality, they should go for it. I will still be better than them at urinating while standing up.
@hawkeye10,
Interesting, I need to read that, could you paste the link please? And I do agree that being tough is the way to go. But why would you say women are respond slowly?
@Krumple,
Well it's not so much as being threatened. Because equality is all good, we all should have it, you deserve it if you work hard enough. But it is the social advantages we give women, that is the problem. We will not only open the door for them, but given that they can take care of themselves, men still will want to be the caretaker. Thus the woman gets to keep her money and still be taken care of by her husband. Given that both are well off, I know in poor situations it may not be the case. So it seems from this they shall have the advantage. But if we are trying to uphold this principle that everyone should be treated equally then women are not given the opportunity, if men are going to be so polite. Yet when we speak of equality do we mean social equality or monetary equality? Maybe social equality may not be entirely possible.
@JPhil,
Quote:But it is the social advantages we give women, that is the problem.
For me the problem is that we claim we want equality but we advantage women over men. Dishonesty is never good, and placing one sex above the other tends to be demoralizing to the sex that is being discriminated against. I see young men in trouble, there is a huge segment of the male youth who are beat down and who have largely given up, who have been told all their lives that men suck and that women need to be prioritized.....THAT'S a problem.
@JPhil,
JPhil wrote:
Interesting, I need to read that, could you paste the link please? And I do agree that being tough is the way to go. But why would you say women are respond slowly?
I can't find it at the moment, but my general thesis is well known around A2K, and I have presented it in many threads. I get hated on for persisting, but no one has yet proved me wrong. Here are some threads for your enjoyment
http://able2know.org/topic/173570-1
http://able2know.org/topic/158723-1
http://able2know.org/topic/160164-1
The slutwalk post that you are asking about is likely in one of these threads, but we dont have a good way to search A2K, as the search engine is not done yet.
I dont think women respond slowly and I dont think I said that they do. Women very often are vocally dishonest about what they want and dont want, so you should never pay much attention to what they say, you should pay attention to what they do, what gets their motor running. We are conditioned by the feminists to pay very close attention to what a women says, after all sex law is predicated on what a woman says being the most important thing, so there is often a disconnect between the response expected out of women and the response that is actually gotten. But this is not because women respond slowly, it is because men have been sold a load of manure by the feminists, this dishonesty also being embraced by the state through our idiotic sex laws.
@hawkeye10,
I know that it is difficult to have a true equality, because someone will always have the upper advantage. But I think society should change in such a way that women are not spoiled, or not given the sense that they are being spoiled. I mean it's difficult to not treat someone else better than another, because we do favor certain individuals over others. What needs to happen is that the person receiving favor should feel as though they deserve it.
@hawkeye10,
Thank you, I shall read over them. I've never heard of theses sex laws, what are they for?
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