Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

intellectual match

You dislike most of the posters with whom you disagree?
That's interesting. I can't think of any I dislike. That includes the old general who just surprised my jaw. Most of us, if we met in a tavern, would joyfully pop the cool ones and play a round of darts. If we were neighbors, we would look after each other's places when they were out of town. It's the thing we do. In the grand scheme of things, the arguments we paste and post here are just lip flappin and jabberin.

That is why you have abandoned any pretense of defending a position in favor of just engaging in flame throwing.

I must say that you are no better at throwing flames than at explaining your position coherently.

frankie boy, try again, i did read your post but unfortunately nothing much made the cut to be responded to.

except maybe this part, for fun:

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That is why you have abandoned any pretense of defending a position in favor of just engaging in flame throwing.

seriously..i thought i was smoking decent **** but plssss let me know what you inhaled before creating this masterpiece of a quote.

so lets break it down. you think i was previously pretending to defend flame throwing, but now i have abandoned the pretence. i have absolutely no idea how or why you think any of this.

here are my thoughts on your completely nonsensical idea:
i don't support or negate flame throwing, in fact my position that knowledge doesn't exist basically DEFINES all use of language as mere flame throwing.

the only reason you think you are not flame throwing, with you counter arguments to me, is that you BELIEVE in your arguments, and claims, and you BELIEVE i am wrong with mine.

conversely, i do not believe even my own arguments, i scrutinize them and am happy to ridicule them as much as anyone else wants to.

i am happy to concede that the entire argument between us, and any other humans ever on earth, is mere flame throwing.

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I must say that you are no better at throwing flames than at explaining your position coherently.

ROFL, you think your above quote was coherent? i doubt anyone on the planet can understand what you meant by it.

my position, on the other hand has always been and will always be very simple:

knowledge is impossible, only beliefs are possible. non duality is my belief as the best possible explanation for the entirety of existence. if you feel the need to define such a thing. otherwise, once there is no more need to define things, no words are needed.

So Frank, you're interested in exploring various thoughts about the true nature of the REALITY of existence, of which one possible element is the existence of a god.

Do your explorations also include cherubim, angels and jinn which are involved in many of the thoughts about the true nature of the reality of existence involving the possible element of the existence of a god?

so if nobody can prove that knowledge is possible, then why argue over atheism vs agnosticism vs theism? they all presume knowledge. find out if knowledge is possible instead of wasting your time. or take this cue to repeat the same reflex responses eg. omg cm has lost it, what kind of fool thinks knowledge is not possible, blah blah....rofl. enjoy your quest for knowledge.

All that there is concerning thoughts about the true nature of the reality of existence involving the possible element of the existence of a god, cherubim, angels and jinn are just that: thoughts.

Outside of that there is nothing that I know of about them.

They only exist in thoughts. They don't exist in the physical world.

Frank do you think evolution is true?

Do you think that complexity could have came first in such a way as a God?

Could a God be capable of creating himself?

if not what created him?

If A god existed and did not create himself, could he be a creator of all things?

It seems to me that he would be a maker rather than a creator because he used things at his disposal to make the things that he made.

What ever energy that he used to make things were already there at his disposal, That is how I see it. I think complexity came later.

InfraBlue wrote:

All that there is concerning thoughts about the true nature of the reality of existence involving the possible element of the existence of a god, cherubim, angels and jinn are just that: thoughts.

Outside of that there is nothing that I know of about them.

They only exist in thoughts. They don't exist in the physical world.

You have seen enough of the universe to be absolutely sure of what you just said???

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Do you think that complexity could have came first in such a way as a God?



Sure. It is possible.

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If A god existed and did not create himself, could he be a creator of all things?



Yes.