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Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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I do not know if there is a GOD or if there are gods; I do not know if there are no gods; I see no reason to suspect gods cannot exist; I see no reason that suggests gods are needed to explain existence; I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on the question.


God is a concept that man constructed just as other concepts like the tooth fairy.

Would you use the tooth fairy in the same sentence?

I do not know if there is a tooth fairy or if there are tooth fairies; I do not know if there are no tooth fairies; I see no reason to suspect tooth fairies cannot exist; I see no reason that suggests tooth fairies are needed to explain existence; I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on the question.



If you want to talk about tooth fairies...do it with another atheist.

The question I am dealing with is: What is the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

One possible component: A GOD...or gods.

I do not know if gods exist or not.

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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:24 pm
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Edgar said (in his 'I Think' thread):- my first wife could "see" things as they happened, particularly with her mother, though they be a thousand miles apart, at the time...Just as I felt the emotional tug, when certain people died, even though I was not in the same city, in any of the cases, or a dog will sometimes howl when their absent owner dies, there is a connection between people, including some animals, that is in mundane circumstances undetectable

Aha, so you're acknowledging there are things that science can't explain!
Good for you mate; and there I was thinking atheists were materialists who only accepted cold hard evidence..Smile
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reasoning logic
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:51 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Okay...but do you have any evidence that gods do not exist...or cannot exist? If not, you should not be making the assertion


Would it be wrong if I asserted that invisible mermaids do not exist being I have no evidence to support my claim? Let me guess you think it could be possible but maybe not probable?
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I absolutely have no burden for proving anything, godwise. That falls to you and people who think that way.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:32 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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Okay...but do you have any evidence that gods do not exist...or cannot exist? If not, you should not be making the assertion


Would it be wrong if I asserted that invisible mermaids do not exist being I have no evidence to support my claim?


Yes.

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Let me guess you think it could be possible but maybe not probable?


It may be an infinite and eternal existence...so I certainly could go with "possible."

As for the probability...I would just not venture a guess.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I absolutely have no burden for proving anything, godwise.


I you assert there are no gods...the burden of proof does fall on you...whether you want to assume it or not, Edgar.

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That falls to you and people who think that way.


Why would it fall on me? I am not asserting that gods exist or do not exist. You are.

I am asserting that I do not know which it is...so I guess the burden of proof for that assertion does fall on me.

I call one witness: Frank Apisa.

Do you know which it is, Frank?

No.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:37 pm
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Edgar said: I absolutely have no burden for proving anything, godwise. That falls to you and people who think that way

It's not quite as cut-and-dried as that mate.
The Bible is chock full of thousands of accounts of close encounters of various kinds between humans and off-world beings, so why shouldn't we believe them?
Atheists on the other hand have zilch backup and just operate on guesses and hunches..Wink


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Bible-two.gif~original
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:42 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Edgar said: I absolutely have no burden for proving anything, godwise. That falls to you and people who think that way

It's not quite as cut-and-dried as that mate.
The Bible is chock full of thousands of accounts of close encounters of various kinds between humans and off-world beings, so why shouldn't we believe them?
Atheists on the other hand have zilch backup and just operate on guesses and hunches..Wink


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Bible-two.gif~original


I really wish you were on someone else's side, Romeo...

...but you are correct that the strong atheist position (which is the position Edgar holds) has ZILCH to back it up. It is purely a guess...a belief.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:51 pm
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Frank Apisa said: I really wish you were on someone else's side, Romeo...

I don't take individual sides mate, I simply state facts.
I'm on JC's WINNING side..Smile
Who's you and Edgar's team leader?

Jesus said - "I've beaten the world" (John 16:33)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/team-jesus.jpg~original
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neologist
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:53 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I really wish you were on someone else's side, Romeo...
Thanks for showing me this link, Frank:
http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/heureux/endgueule.gif
farmerman
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:00 pm
@neologist,
Whattyou laffin at?. Try knocking on my door some day with all your Charlie Russell crap and well see how easy I can wipe that smug grin off your face.
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:06 pm
As I said, we have nothing to talk about, because you insist that something that does not exist must have evidence it does not exist, over and over. My final post on the subject: You and romeo and neologist have the burden of proof. Because without it you have nothing.
JimmyJ
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Maybe you can figure out now something that a lot of us posters have in common.

See, I have argued with most of the people you're arguing with here and I dislike most of them (I'm sure the feelings are mutual). The one thing we all have in common is we can see you for the big-headed charlatan that you are. You cannot hide that regardless of how many emoticons and this-is-fun's you type.

Notice anything familiar in most of these arguments here regarding burden of proof? That's because you and I had the same argument weeks ago. The reason you're always on the losing side of this is because you're WRONG. However, older folks like yourself don't typically like to be told that they're wrong and have been wrong for years.

As it was pointed out to you earlier and on many threads in the past, the burden of proof always falls upon the person make the extraordinary claim.

I laughed my ass off when you compared not seeing god to not seeing atoms. That's probably in the top 10 of stupid things you've said, but I digress.
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:12 pm
@JimmyJ,
Hey, Frank and I both are pre baby boomers.
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neologist
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:15 pm
@farmerman,
I would have figured you to be more than an intellectual match and would not have expected you to become physical.
But, suit yourself.
Just tell me your address, and I'll be sure not to knock.

Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:21 pm
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Edgar said: My final post on the subject: You and romeo and neologist have the burden of proof. Because without it you have nothing

WHOA JACK! You said earlier in this thread- "my first wife could "see" things as they happened, particularly with her mother, though they be a thousand miles apart, at the time..."

So if you acknowledge the existence of supernatural extra-sensory perception, surely you must acknowledge the possible existence of other supernatural phenomena such as a God?
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neologist
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:26 pm
@JimmyJ,
You dislike most of the posters with whom you disagree?
That's interesting. I can't think of any I dislike. That includes the old general who just surprised my jaw. Most of us, if we met in a tavern, would joyfully pop the cool ones and play a round of darts. If we were neighbors, we would look after each other's places when they were out of town. It's the thing we do. In the grand scheme of things, the arguments we paste and post here are just lip flappin and jabberin.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:43 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

As I said, we have nothing to talk about, because you insist that something that does not exist must have evidence it does not exist, over and over. My final post on the subject: You and romeo and neologist have the burden of proof. Because without it you have nothing.


Okay...another day...another thread.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:44 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

Maybe you can figure out now something that a lot of us posters have in common.

See, I have argued with most of the people you're arguing with here and I dislike most of them (I'm sure the feelings are mutual). The one thing we all have in common is we can see you for the big-headed charlatan that you are. You cannot hide that regardless of how many emoticons and this-is-fun's you type.

Notice anything familiar in most of these arguments here regarding burden of proof? That's because you and I had the same argument weeks ago. The reason you're always on the losing side of this is because you're WRONG. However, older folks like yourself don't typically like to be told that they're wrong and have been wrong for years.

As it was pointed out to you earlier and on many threads in the past, the burden of proof always falls upon the person make the extraordinary claim.

I laughed my ass off when you compared not seeing god to not seeing atoms. That's probably in the top 10 of stupid things you've said, but I digress.


You just don't get it, Jimmy...and probably never will.

You take yourself and your opinions too seriously.

Almost none of the regulars here do.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:45 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

You dislike most of the posters with whom you disagree?
That's interesting. I can't think of any I dislike. That includes the old general who just surprised my jaw. Most of us, if we met in a tavern, would joyfully pop the cool ones and play a round of darts. If we were neighbors, we would look after each other's places when they were out of town. It's the thing we do. In the grand scheme of things, the arguments we paste and post here are just lip flappin and jabberin.


Aha...you are of the same opinion as I...and my guess is, most of the people here, Neo.

Jimmy is hard core. He'll loosen up when he gets a bit older.
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