Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I am interested in exploring various thoughts about the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

Big words, no doubt, but do they mean anything? Anyway, explore your heart out!

I will...and have.

You haven't?

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@Frank Apisa,

The best reason there are no gods is because, with no logic or evidence whatever, some humans declared gods exist and proceeded to guard the myths of their existence, as though they were real property. The realm of the imagination is a territory as big as the mind makes it. Gods inhabit this territory and fight like any territorial animal for complete sovereignty. I don't need evidence to prove that something that does not exist does not exist. Which is why I rarely post on threads like this anymore. The god-notion defenders pull out all the stops to turn the tables on atheism, but they can only prevail if they exterminate atheists and science.

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Yeah, the "prove they don't exist" BS is truly a weak reed, but it's the best they've got in their feeble armory.

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@edgarblythe,

The story about the occurrence of gods is about as compelling as the thesis that ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE taught the Egyptians how to build pyramids.
When all about us are evidences of maybe 50 attempts at building pyramids , brimming with incompetent attempts and how , after two centuries, one team got it right and then the rest were built on the shoulders of the previous work.

That's the kind of obvious evidence that exists out there countering gods interventions in ancient civilizations. Its amazing how myths of today aren't much different from those of old.

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So other than...I can't see any gods and there is no need for a god to explain existence...(none of which is evidence that there are no gods)...apparently nobody has any evidence to offer that there are no gods.

That certainly is my position also.

There are no gods that I can show do exist...and there certainly is no need for any gods to exist in order to explain existence.

I also note that there is absolutely no reason to suppose gods cannot exist...nor that existence would necessarily be any different from what we see if gods did exist.

So...my position on the question of the existence or non-existence of gods remains:

I do not know if there is a GOD or if there are gods; I do not know if there are no gods; I see no reason to suspect gods cannot exist; I see no reason that suggests gods are needed to explain existence; I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on the question.

It seems to me to be a very rational position, and I have no idea of why that troubles some of you so.

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The propositions about magic sky daddies are extraordinary claims. People who make extraordinary claims have the burden of proving them. No one has to disprove them.

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Anyone making an assertion or claim...extraordinary or not...assumes a burden of proof.

But we are discussing "evidence" here...not proof.

It has been asserted that evidence countering gods is readily available without much searching.

I am asking for that evidence…so we can discuss it.

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What idiot games you want to play are a matter of indifference to me. People who make claims have a burden of proof. People wo make extraordinary claims have an extraordinary burden of proof. No one is obliged to disprove them.

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@Frank Apisa,

We don't need no ******* evidence, Frank. Only the god claimers need it.

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@edgarblythe,

So you are saying that gods may exist?

If you are saying, as you have been right along, that there are no gods...

...then that is an assertion for which you bear a burden of proof.

Try to stay calm, Edgar. We are just discussing this. There is no reason to get all upset.

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Evidence? just look around! Or maybe atheists think the universe just decided to (snigger) create itself?
And beautiful creatures like this are too perfect to have formed by blind random chance.. Smile

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@Frank Apisa,

I have been reading your assertions for years Frank. They are as pigheaded and meaningless today as when I first read them many years ago. I need no evidence to prove what does not exist doesn't and if you don't understand that, then there is no point in my discussing it further with you. But, you have Romeo, ready and willing. Have fun.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

I have been reading your assertions for years Frank. They are as pigheaded and meaningless today as when I first read them many years ago. I need no evidence to prove what does not exist doesn't and if you don't understand that, then there is no point in my discussing it further with you. But, you have Romeo, ready and willing. Have fun.

Sorry you have so little control over your temper, Edgar...but that is something you have to live with.

In any case, someone asserted that there is plenty of evidence of blah, blah, blah.

I am asking for that evidence.

You, on many occasions, have asserted there are no gods.

That is an assertion, Edgar.

There is a burden of proof that falls on you for that assertion, but I am not asking for proof...just for evidence.

What evidence, other than variations on "I see no gods" and "there is no need for a god"...do you have?

You are the one making the assertion.

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An atheist wouldn't accept any evidence of a God!-

An atheist falls over a cliff at night but grabs a branch halfway down and begins calling for help.
Suddenly a golden glow bathes the whole scene, choirs of divinely-singing angels float by and a mighty voice booms out from above-
"Take my hand my son!"
"Who are you?" asks the atheist.
"I am the Lord Almighty" replies the voice, "the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, Creator of Heaven and Earth!"
"Help, help!" shouts the atheist, "Is there anybody else up there?"

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@Frank Apisa,

I didn't make the statements you attributed to me. I am not angry, just fed up with the tedious regularity of your phony arguments. I have no burden to prove what doesn't exist. As long as you assert that I do, you are just romeo fabulini in disguise.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

I didn't make the statements you attributed to me.

You have on several occasions asserted that there are no gods, but I am not going to look that stuff up.

Are you willing to state that that gods may be a part of the REALITY?

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I am not angry, just fed up with the tedious regularity of your phony arguments.

There is nothing phony about me acknowledging that I do not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence. There is nothing phony about my argument that I do not know if gods exist or not.

It sounds to me as though you are angry...and pretending there is something phony about those things.

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I have no burden to prove what doesn't exist.

If you assert that gods do not exist...you do bear a burden of proof.

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As long as you assert that I do, you are just romeo fabulini in disguise.

That was below the belt, Edgar. We disagree...but you do not have to go that far. Wink

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Of course, I have stated that there are no gods. But, the arguments you say I made against them are not arguments I make. The arguments I posted today are sufficient and I don't need anything else.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I do not know if there is a GOD or if there are gods; I do not know if there are no gods; I see no reason to suspect gods cannot exist; I see no reason that suggests gods are needed to explain existence; I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on the question.

God is a concept that man constructed just as other concepts like the tooth fairy.

Would you use the tooth fairy in the same sentence?

I do not know if there is a tooth fairy or if there are tooth fairies; I do not know if there are no tooth fairies; I see no reason to suspect tooth fairies cannot exist; I see no reason that suggests tooth fairies are needed to explain existence; I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on the question.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Of course, I have stated that there are no gods.

Then you incur the burden of proof for that assertion. I'd be satisfied with some real evidence that gods do not exist.

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But, the arguments you say I made against them are not arguments I make.

Not sure what this is supposed to mean, Edgar. I never gave any arguments you supposedly made. I just said that you have asserted they do not exist.

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The arguments I posted today are sufficient and I don't need anything else.

Okay...but do you have any evidence that gods do not exist...or cannot exist? If not, you should not be making the assertion.

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