Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

Remember that "levels" is just another empty concept.

So the idea that there is not only a duality but a PLURALITY of levels rich with all sorts of truths is just another empty concept.

Plus it contradicts your "non-duality" motto.

Proving you wrong is so easy it gets boring...

Really difficult for you to acknowledge you are being absurd, isn't it, CM?

It is absurd on its face, CM. It makes no sense...and the only reason you continue to spew it apparently is because this religion your are trying to build requires it. Sorta like needing a son sacrificed in order to forgive the easily forgivable...if you get my meaning.

a pure intellect will NEVER ever say it doesn't know, it will find out. plain and simple. argue away dumb ****.

That does not make any sense at all. But I guess it provided a vehicle for you to use "dumbfuck" a couple more times.

I am trying to figure how you consider what you are doing as productive...as headed in the direction you are pretending you are headed.

So...you want me to take lessons from you about how to be reasonable and intellectual in a discussion of this type.

Or so you think when you have a little too much chars... Alright, enough time wasted on you. Go get lost in your contradictions.

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Remember that "levels" is just another empty concept.

you remember that all concepts are only empty ULTIMATELY...

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Really difficult for you to acknowledge you are being absurd, isn't it, CM?

really difficult for you to face absurdity rather than run from it, isn't it frank?

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It is absurd on its face, CM. It makes no sense...and the only reason you continue to spew it apparently is because this religion your are trying to build requires it. Sorta like needing a son sacrificed in order to forgive the easily forgivable...if you get my meaning.

wrong. the statement 'the ultimate truth is there is no ultimate truth' is not all that absurd at all. the only absurdity is the single, obvious paradox in it. you are just choosing to stop there and say it makes no sense.

i am building no religion, nor does anything i say require anything.

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a pure intellect will NEVER ever say it doesn't know, it will find out. plain and simple. argue away dumb ****.

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That does not make any sense at all. But I guess it provided a vehicle for you to use "dumbfuck" a couple more times.

it makes PERFECT sense. lol. what about that makes no sense? a pure intellect will continuously seek to find out, never stopping at i don't know. i am certain everyone on this board would agree with that statement, except you.

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I am trying to figure how you consider what you are doing as productive...as headed in the direction you are pretending you are headed.

i consider these discussions productive because i learn more about other people and how their minds work. that direction has been openly stated many times right from the start of the thread by me. it is an all inclusive discussion on ultimate reality/truth and whatever else.

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So...you want me to take lessons from you about how to be reasonable and intellectual in a discussion of this type.

umm. no. don't particularly care what you do. but my lessons are always available for you.

I don't agree with how you express all of your relative truths but I agree that it makes relative sense and is definitely far from nonsense (which both Frank and Oli seem to believe it is) and on the subject of non-duality, I can hardly find anything to disagree with, in relation to your choice of how to explain it using the tools of conventional/relative truth.... which of course are the only tools available.

I don't agree with how you express all of your relative truths but I agree that it makes relative sense and is definitely far from nonsense (which both Frank and Oli seem to believe it is)

on the subject of non-duality, I can hardly find anything to disagree with, in relation to your choice of how to explain it using the tools of conventional/relative truth.... which of course are the only tools available.