Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

And the fact is that your mother likes to **** monkeys, right?

hahaha exactly. you are stuck in the belief system of true vs false, like frank.

Hahaha, and that sentence of yours is true or false? :-)

Not sure of your point...but most of what you are saying is so off-the-wall, it doesn't really matter.

Really! And of course, in your guesswork...a dualistic mind is impossible.

Jeez!

Earth to CM....Earth calling CM.

That WAS a response!

I do not live in a belief system. I do not do believing. If you ever hear me say that I "believe" anything...call it to my attention.

the individual me believes all my opinions which i am arguing here. the universality deeper inside me is aware of all this as a nothingness eternal play. you can deny that universality forever but then when your body dies there is nothing else to take over. may as well acknowledge it while alive.

My response to this is...how do you stand typing such pap?

you have investigated all the current evidence on ultimate truth, and have decided that YOU DON'T KNOW. that is your final stance no matter what, you have built a prison where you can never escape.

Nice try, CM...but once again...no cigar.

I have never stated that I do not know anything...and you will never cite an instance where I have said it.

If you want to contort words in order not to have to acknowledge you are dead wrong on this...please...contort.

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Not sure of your point...but most of what you are saying is so off-the-wall, it doesn't really matter.

ok. in other words, what you don't understand doesn't matter, which is the entirety of your idiotic agnostic perspective on life. pathetic.

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Really! And of course, in your guesswork...a dualistic mind is impossible.

Jeez!

wrong. in my guesswork, dualistic mind is definitely possible. i can guess infinitely about dualistic mind existing ultimately. unfortunately, in actual experience, a dualistic mind can never be fully experienced and therefore defined as real. the experiencer is always, continuously aware of a lack of boundary in their own consciousness, an infinite nature to it which means it cannot possibly be a limited or discrete entity.

so no. in my guesswork, it is extremely improbably that duality is possible. however, because guesswork is guesswork, of course we must concede that anything is possible.

this is why i don't identify with guesswork anymore, and instead identify with experience only. everything i 'guess' is directly coming from experience, so actually i never guess anymore. a guess is by definition not based on experience.

Earth to CM....Earth calling CM.

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That WAS a response!

earth to dumbfuck. you think a simple play on words will somehow fool me? rofl. no it wasn't a response, just like if i ask you what is 1+1, and you say no i won't respond till you calm down. then you never say 2, and just keep talking. and say ahh but it WAS a response! .... no sorry...if you are too dumbfuckish to understand why you never responded, then keep dumbfuckishly believing that you did respond. dumb ****.

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I do not live in a belief system. I do not do believing. If you ever hear me say that I "believe" anything...call it to my attention.

every single post you ever make is all beliefs and guesswork, as you accuse me of. the difference is i openly admit it, you try to hide behind some dumb **** 'i don't know' philosophy which has ultimately become your biggest and dumbest belief.

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the individual me believes all my opinions which i am arguing here. the universality deeper inside me is aware of all this as a nothingness eternal play. you can deny that universality forever but then when your body dies there is nothing else to take over. may as well acknowledge it while alive.

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My response to this is...how do you stand typing such pap?

my response to this is, you define it as pap because it intimidates you.

what am i asking you to acknowledge? that you are the universe (known from science, your body atoms were created from the big bang products), and that once you die you will definitely be the same universe again because you won't have this living body you currently identify with.

but no, that is too much pap for you. lol. basic science must be all wrong. the real truth is 'i don't know anything, and can never know anything.' rofl congrats.

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you have investigated all the current evidence on ultimate truth, and have decided that YOU DON'T KNOW. that is your final stance no matter what, you have built a prison where you can never escape.

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Nice try, CM...but once again...no cigar.

I have never stated that I do not know anything...and you will never cite an instance where I have said it.

i never said you said that. i said you said you don't know the ultimate truth. keep up amateur.

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If you want to contort words in order not to have to acknowledge you are dead wrong on this...please...contort.

there is no contortion. i acknowledged that you know many things, but you do not know the ultimate truth.

so yes, you do claim to know nothing, ultimately. being agnostic itself is the definition of claiming to know nothing.

because what you are saying you don't know is the ultimate truth. if you are conceding you can never know that, then all other inferior knowledge is by definition irrelevant and worthless.

You have Frank nailed on his own confusion; he really doesn't know much of anything. He guesses all the time and expects others to answer his questions. He believes his definition for proof is the only one that applies in philosophy. In philosophy, any person who believes an assertion to be true is their proof. That's the reason so many believe god exists. He is usually confused and contradicts himself all the time - without realizing it. I put him on Ignore. He has a shut mind with all his guesses.
Arguing with Frank goes nowhere except a very long, boring, merry-go-round. Good luck.

my sentence is true to my individual mind, false to yours and frank's, and ultimately, neither true or false because those are limited concepts.

I do not know the Ultimate Truth...and I will stick with that.

You don't either, but you seem to have some sort of trouble acknowledging that.

Mostly, that is a result of your being out of control and in a rage.

Try to calm down.

there is no contortion. i acknowledged that you know many things, but you do not know the ultimate truth.

This is now getting to be such nonsense on your part...I have trouble understanding how you can continue to type it and put it out there for others to see.

But...some people, when in a rage, have no self-esteem...and apparently that is now at work with you.

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I do not know the Ultimate Truth...and I will stick with that.

yes because you are a dumb ****.

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You don't either, but you seem to have some sort of trouble acknowledging that.

wrong. i just do know the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth. simple.

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Mostly, that is a result of your being out of control and in a rage.

wrong, the rage is a result of your dumbfuckitude.

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Try to calm down.

no need when i am purposely allowing my words to convey emotions that intimidate you like rage.

You could not intimidate me with words on your best day, CM. You are not nearly the force you suppose yourself to be.

Stop the nonsense. It hasn't worked...and it won't in the future.

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there is no contortion. i acknowledged that you know many things, but you do not know the ultimate truth.

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This is now getting to be such nonsense on your part...I have trouble understanding how you can continue to type it and put it out there for others to see.

what is nonsense about that? you agree that you don't know the ultimate truth? i am simply saying eternally sticking with that philosophy is foolish.

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But...some people, when in a rage, have no self-esteem...and apparently that is now at work with you.

HAHAHAH who has no self esteem? the one who knows the ultimate truth? or the one who doesn't? lol at least dumbfuckitude is funny.

my sentence is true to my individual mind, false to yours and frank's, and ultimately, neither true or false because those are limited concepts.

How can you be stupid enough to hold TRUE a sentence saying THERE IS NO TRUTH?

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my sentence is true to my individual mind, false to yours and frank's, and ultimately, neither true or false because those are limited concepts.

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How can you be stupid enough to hold TRUE a sentence saying THERE IS NO TRUTH?

how can you be stupid enough to interpret that from what i said? the sentence in question was: "you are stuck in a belief system of true vs false, like frank."

NOT "THERE IS NO TRUTH"

however, just to further insult you, i can add that i can easily hold true that 'there is no truth'. it is simply a deeper truth, a single truth which dispels all other truths. yes it paradoxically makes the statement also false, because if you say 'there is no truth', but there is that one statement of ultimate truth, that makes it technically false. but it doesn't matter, my whole point is that truth is only a concept and exists at certain levels only. every deeper level has more possible truths. therefore, if you extend that process infinitely, you get infinite levels with infinite possible truths, which is the EXACT definition of 'there is no truth'. ie, if every single possibility exists, then there is no falsehoods, everything is possible. that is the ultimate truth, that there is no truth.

Think about the statement "I do know the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth."

Surely you see how absurd that is.

Why do you dig the hole deeper...when you are already too far down?

There is no need for that nonsense, CM. Stop it. Force yourself to stop it. You are not a child kicking on the floor no longer remembering what started the tirade.

Stop it.

I do not know the things I do not know...and why would you suggest I not "stick with that?"

HAHAHAH who has no self esteem? the one who knows the ultimate truth? or the one who doesn't?

The one who acknowledges that he does not know the ultimate truth...not the one pretending to know it.

Get control, CM. Stop digging.

Babble!

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Think about the statement "I do know the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth."

you think about it, beyond the obvious paradox existing on the outermost layer. dig a lil deeper bro.

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Surely you see how absurd that is.

read above. absurdity is only at the most superficial level.

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Why do you dig the hole deeper...when you are already too far down?

HAHAH read above again. digging deeper infinitely is the natural way of intelligence, trying to calm it, keep it under control, is your dumbfuckish way of retaining your individuality.

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There is no need for that nonsense, CM. Stop it. Force yourself to stop it. You are not a child kicking on the floor no longer remembering what started the tirade.

Stop it.

i don't consider it nonsense. i honestly consider you the biggest dumb **** i have ever conversed with. so no, i won't stop it, i consider it highly important that the readers see how dumbfuckish you are.

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I do not know the things I do not know...and why would you suggest I not "stick with that?"

because sticking with that is pure dumbfuckitude. no other reason. a pure intellect will NEVER ever say it doesn't know, it will find out. plain and simple. argue away dumb ****.

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HAHAHAH who has no self esteem? the one who knows the ultimate truth? or the one who doesn't?

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The one who acknowledges that he does not know the ultimate truth...not the one pretending to know it.

Get control, CM. Stop digging.

will never stop digging, as previously explained. now, about you acknowledging you don't know. that is fine, and at least honest. but at least try and figure something out.

go into religion, spirituality, atheism, agnosticism (FURTHER), or any thing. go into golf further if you love it, realise you could still win a world championship. go into this argument further if you want, actually disprove anything i am saying, instead of your pathetic arguments that i am out of control. "**** you i won't do what you tell me". go find out where that quote is from.