Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

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If you actually think that a negative assertion accrues no burden of proof...if a theist asserts, "This world could not exist without a creator"...do you just accept it?

what is with you and assertions? firstly there is no difference between positive and negative, any assertion only incurs burden of proof in a person who is investigating the truth of the assertion.

if a theist says 'the world couldn't exist without a creator', the atheist can easily argue 'yes it could', and explain how.

you and jimmy are just pointlessly asking each other to accept a 'burden of proof', while nobody is actually taking the burden.

non duality is taking the burden.

If someone comes to the conclusion that there is no logical (or otherwise) reason for them to believe in a creator god and they wish to live a life free from the notion that there is one... then it is pointless and a waste of time to spend any part of that life arguing that a creator god can't be ruled out... therefore Frank is wasting the precious time he has left... as do all agnostics... because there is no worthwhile benefit in making that argument. While, just letting go of the notion of a creator god has many benefits... to me atleast.

Well, you would say that Frank... having wasted decades repeating yourself... how could you admit to yourself it is a monumental waste of time... but surely if it wasn't you'd also be repeating... all of the benefits of spending precious time on telling everyone how important it is not to discount the possibility of a creator god (whilst simultaneously not discounting the possibility that there isn't one)... I've never read any of your posts detailing those benefits Frank...

I'm not out of sorts Frank.. I'm happy that letting go of the notion of a creator god has benefits. I also recognise that being a theist has benefits for those so inclined. The same is true of golfers. I do not see any benefits in not ruling out that there might be a creator god, whilst at the same time not ruling out that there might not be one... and repeating the fact to all and sundry, ad nauseam.

That to me Frank seems like a complete waste of time with no benefits.

So, unless you can tell me of a benefit then it seems that atheists and theists have benefits but you Frank, when you're wearing your agnostic hat, do not.

I don't see why debating the notion of any put forward concept would be an a priori waste of time, independently on how good the concept is.

If anything debating the frames of work for questioning and clarifying any conceptual standpoint are essential to either peer validate them or discard them as useful.

The concept or shall I say the possible set of conceptual frames for a notion of God are no exception...this is not fashion industry !

I'm talking about benefits... Fil... Frank just repeats his 'I don't know' ad nauseum, that is not a debate and there is no benefit to him or anyone else.

There are on the other hand, benefits to being an atheist and a theist. There is no benefit that has been given by Frank for his agnostic stance and of repeating himself over and over, it is a simple argument, understood by everyone that doesn't need to be repeated and has no life enhancing benefits.. unless Frank wants to finally list some.

Frank Apisa said: I enjoy telling the truth, igm. And the truth is that I do not know if there is a god or not

Just brought the Christmas tree in. The cats are exploring. Nancy will do the decorating while I watch the ball games. All's good with the world.

You reply by not mentioning any benefits and then say I'm deficient because I can't see any benefits in your worldview... you're a laugh a minute Frank. You then tell me that the tone of my post... which says how happy I am.. having let go of believing in a creator god, is a sign... in your head... of me not being content??? You Frank, are a legend in your own head...

Frank Apisa wrote:

Just brought the Christmas tree in. The cats are exploring. Nancy will do the decorating while I watch the ball games. All's good with the world.

Now that sounds a much, much better use of your time... merry festivities Frank!!! .... but try to go easy on the 'I don't knows' over Christmas.... especially the useless 'I don't know if the 'isn't' a creator god.

igm said: @Romeo- Frank will be, 'chuffed to bits' that you're on his side... who wouldn't?

Ummm... Ok Frank... thanks for the list of benefits...

... as soon as I find them...

...no wait is it the ability to repeat yourself again and again... is that what you get a buzz out of ?

I noticed you've done it again... no need to reply... it must be that... merry christmas!