Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

You're a liar and a loser, Carnatic Misery, and no one has any respect for you around here. Nor should they have. You have paltry skills in English, you have no rhetorical skills and you can't accept anyone disagreeing with you, which is why you lash out at people with vicious personal remarks. You're pathetic.

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@Setanta,

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You're a liar and a loser, Carnatic Misery,

ok your highness setanta

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and no one has any respect for you around here.

yeah..i wish i was as respected as the great setanta.

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Nor should they have.

actually a few have already shown respect for my opinions.

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You have paltry skills in English

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pls quote my english errors

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you have no rhetorical skills

i never claimed to have any, nor am i trying to change anybody else's opinions. i have my own, that pantheism is the resolution to atheism vs theism. the world is obviously divided about that opinion, and i don't care.

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and you can't accept anyone disagreeing with you

i can happily accept you disagreeing with me forever

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which is why you lash out at people with vicious personal remarks. You're pathetic.

nope, lash out directly in response to your level of viciousness. if you look back, my insults back to you are always at the same level of yours to me. for example, you say 'i am peddling bs', i say 'you are an idiot'. they are equal, who cares? you are the one affected and sulking..

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JimmyJ said: What does that have to do with this thread?
When will you realize that we don't put any stock into that nonsensical, evidence-lacking book that was written by a bunch of desert wanderers??
Lance Burton does plenty of miracles here in Vegas. That doesn't mean he's a prophet.

The Titanic pic clearly shows it has 4 funnels, but in reality one was just a fake purely for show. But if you ask people how many funnels it had, the majority would mistakenly reply "Four of course!"
The moral is that people are easily fooled if they take everything at face value.
For example some people mistakenly think the Bible was written by desert wanderers.. Smile

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

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Bad use of "whom"...and has someone here "lost" and argument...except in your day-dreams?

It was grammatically correct and therefore unnecessarily pointed out by you.

Actually, it was not grammatically correct...it was grammatically incorrect.

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This is what people do when they've lost, Frank.

Well then stop doing it. It makes you look foolish.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

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You have done no such thing...but you are so cute when you try to bluster your way though these things. Did you learn your debate technique from a book with lots of pictures in it?

So you never answered my question before. If you actually think that a negative assertion accrues no burden of proof...if a theist asserts, "This world could not exist without a creator"...do you just accept it?

Clearly they are not the same just as "asserting" flying bunnies don't exist isn't the same as saying "the world cannot exist without flying bunnies".

Come on, now.

Still trying to dodge the question, Jimmy. I love the way you do that.

If you actually think that a negative assertion accrues no burden of proof...if a theist asserts, "This world could not exist without a creator"...do you just accept it?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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JimmyJ said: What does that have to do with this thread?
When will you realize that we don't put any stock into that nonsensical, evidence-lacking book that was written by a bunch of desert wanderers??
Lance Burton does plenty of miracles here in Vegas. That doesn't mean he's a prophet.

The Titanic pic clearly shows it has 4 funnels, but in reality one was just a fake purely for show. But if you ask people how many funnels it had, the majority would mistakenly reply "Four of course!"
The moral is that people are easily fooled if they take everything at face value.
For example some people mistakenly think the Bible was written by desert wanderers..

Actually, Titanic HAD four funnels.

In order for you question to make any sense, Romeo, you have to phrase it:

"How many functioning funnels did Titanic have?"

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The "function" of the 4th funnel was to make the ship look more impressive, so it certainly fulfilled its function in that respect.
Hey I'm beginning to like these philosophical morris dances by playing with words and meanings etc.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

The "function" of the 4th funnel was to make the ship look more impressive, so it certainly fulfilled its function in that respect.

Exactly. So the answer to the question, "How many tunnels did Titanic have?"...is FOUR.

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Hey I'm beginning to like these philosophical morris dances by playing with words and meanings etc..

Not sure what the "morris" means, but it actually is fun to do these dances. In fact, after the first page or two...almost every thread is more interesting for the dances than for what is being posted in serious pursuit of the thread subject.

Nothing especially bad meant by any of it...just "intellectual" sport.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

"How many tunnels did Titanic have?"...is FOUR.

I let you off Frank, as a funnel is a kinda tunnel... carry on...

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@igm,

igm wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

"How many tunnels did Titanic have?"...is FOUR.

I let you off Frank, as a funnel is a kinda tunnel... carry on...

Actually, I shoulda used stacks. But I did screw up using "tunnel" rather than "funnel"...although as you noted, in a strict sense, a funnel is a kind of tunnel.

That was not what I was thinking. I just make a mistake.

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Romeo said: Hey I'm beginning to like these philosophical morris dances by playing with words and meanings etc
Frank Apisa replied: Not sure what the "morris" means, but it actually is fun to do these dances

A Morris Dance is an old english custom where they prance aimlessly around.
Maypole dancing (below) is similar as they go round and around it without actually getting anywhere, a lot like philosophical discussions.. Smile

For example-
PHILO 1- "The sky is blue"
PHILO 2- "What do you mean by 'blue'?
PHILO 3- "And how would you define 'sky'?
PHILO 4- "Does the sky really exist anyway?"
PHILO 5- "In what context are you using the word 'exist'?"
PHILO 6- "And to a colour-blind person the sky may appear as green, so to him the sky is NOT blue"
etc etc...

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/maypole_dance_zps54dad585.jpg~original

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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The Titanic pic clearly shows it has 4 funnels, but in reality one was just a fake purely for show. But if you ask people how many funnels it had, the majority would mistakenly reply "Four of course!"
The moral is that people are easily fooled if they take everything at face value.
For example some people mistakenly think the Bible was written by desert wanderers.

You are the king of witless/faulty analogies.

You do know that most of the stories in the Bible were taken from other religions, right?

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@Frank Apisa,

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Actually, it was not grammatically correct...it was grammatically incorrect.

You are incorrect.

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Well then stop doing it. It makes you look foolish.

Contradicting yourself makes you look foolish.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Still trying to dodge the question, Jimmy. I love the way you do that.

If you actually think that a negative assertion accrues no burden of proof...if a theist asserts, "This world could not exist without a creator"...do you just accept it?

I answered the question. Re-read my last post. Go get your little old-man glasses. Sit down in your little chair and read what someone has to say for a change. You might be enlightened.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

You make me giggle

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Great sense of humor..you're definitely an original

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JimmyJ said: You do know that most of the stories in the Bible were taken from other religions, right?

Huh mate? I thought THIS was how you atheists claim the bible was invented?-

FIRST-CENTURY ABBOT - "Father Bartholomew, I want you to translate these ancient scriptures into english, take them to your room and spend the next 5 years on the task, I'll have wine and hot food sent in to you every day to ensure your comfort"
BART - "Thank you Father"
ABBOT- "Bless you my son" (leaves)
BART'S MATE - "Hey man, why didn't you tell him you can hardly read and write?"
BART - "Not me chum, I know when I'm on to a good thing, i'll make it up as i go along"..

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@Frank Apisa,

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If you actually think that a negative assertion accrues no burden of proof...if a theist asserts, "This world could not exist without a creator"...do you just accept it?

what is with you and assertions? firstly there is no difference between positive and negative, any assertion only incurs burden of proof in a person who is investigating the truth of the assertion.

if a theist says 'the world couldn't exist without a creator', the atheist can easily argue 'yes it could', and explain how.

you and jimmy are just pointlessly asking each other to accept a 'burden of proof', while nobody is actually taking the burden.

non duality is taking the burden.

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@igm,

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Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

Why are you pissing into the wind? Things are either logical or not.

Ergo, your premise has a contranymical fundament viz. the simultaneity of your basis and your buttocks.

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@knaivete,

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Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

Things are either logical or not.

Things can be unclear, in which case it is not clear whether they are logical or not. One group could argue they are logical and the other is not... vice versa is also possible. Someone could be logically correct and not know it and someone could be logically incorrect and not know it.

The OP is a question and your post is a possible reply to that OP among probably infinite replies which will have varying subjective relevance to each viewer of those posts.

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