Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

@JimmyJ,

What you should say is, from the evidence you have examined, you are not convinced there is any reason to believe that deities exist.

You chose the absolute again Jimmy, the absolute statement is almost always incorrect. unless by one you were referring to the royal you, in which case, carry on.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: There also is no evidence that deities do not exist...and more importantly, there is no evidence that it is impossible for deities to exist. The fact that "there is no evidence that leads one to believe that any deities exist" has no logical impact whatever on the question of whether or not deities exist.

No offence mate but are you sloshed? Or are you a Pentecostalist babbling in an unknown tongue?
I hope you play golf better than you talk or you'll be stuck in the sandtrap forever..

What do you see as illogical in my comment, Genius. It was a comment bolstering the theistic position...and in disagreement with the position posted by Jimmy.

My sand play is above average. My regular playing partners (only one of whom is better) often comment on that.

Are you sloshed?

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Frank Apisa said: What do you see as illogical in my comment?

Sorry mate i'm not very good at untangling convoluted philosophical furballs.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: What do you see as illogical in my comment?

Sorry mate i'm not very good at untangling convoluted philosophical furballs..

I wouldn't want to deal with the list of things you are not very good at, Romeo.

If you do want to deal with what I wrote...do it. If you do not...don't.

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Frank Apisa said: I wouldn't want to deal with the list of things you are not very good at, Romeo. If you do want to deal with what I wrote...do it. If you do not...don't

You started a fight by calling me a buffoon in another post mate, so now stand your ground like a man and take some payback.. Smile

You've admitted you're often wrong, so what guarantees can you give us that you're not wrong in anything you say?
"I often am wrong...and I have no problem with acknowledging when I am" - Frank Apisa quote 7 Nov 2013 in 'The Half-Life of Facts' thread

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: I wouldn't want to deal with the list of things you are not very good at, Romeo. If you do want to deal with what I wrote...do it. If you do not...don't

You started a fight by calling me a buffoon in another post mate, so now stand your ground like a man and take some payback..
You've admitted you're often wrong, so what guarantees can you give us that you're not wrong in anything you say?
"I often am wrong...and I have no problem with acknowledging when I am" - Frank Apisa quote 7 Nov 2013 in 'The Half-Life of Facts' thread

Actually, I think I said you were acting the buffoon...which you often are.

And I am not sure what kind of logic you use to support the notion that if I mention that I am wrong at times...you should assume I am wrong all the time.

That is terrible logic even for you, Romeo.

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Frank Apisa said: And I am not sure what kind of logic you use to support the notion that if I mention that I am wrong at times...you should assume I am wrong all the time.
That is terrible logic even for you, Romeo.

You once mentioned you're about 70 years old mate, so we're just wondering if being wrong is a lifetime habit, and when you're going to break it?
Meanwhile it's only logical for us to wonder which of your posts are shite and which are not.. Smile

"I often am wrong...and I have no problem with acknowledging when I am"- Frank Apisa 17 Nov 2013 in 'The Half-Life of Facts' thread
"When I am wrong, I acknowledge that I am wrong"- Frank Apisa 20 Dec 2013 in 'Scientific studies: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists' thread

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: And I am not sure what kind of logic you use to support the notion that if I mention that I am wrong at times...you should assume I am wrong all the time.
That is terrible logic even for you, Romeo.

You once mentioned you're about 70 years old mate, so we're just wondering if being wrong is a lifetime habit, and when you're going to break it?
Meanwhile it's only logical for us to wonder which of your posts are shite and which are not..

Actually, I am 77...and I have been wrong often in my life.

There was a time when I was immature like you...that I would never have acknowledged that. But then I grew up...and acknowledging that I have often been wrong is no big deal.

Don't worry, Romeo...at some point you will probably grow up too...and you'll be able to understand what I am saying.

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"I often am wrong...and I have no problem with acknowledging when I am"- Frank Apisa 17 Nov 2013 in 'The Half-Life of Facts' thread
"When I am wrong, I acknowledge that I am wrong"- Frank Apisa 20 Dec 2013 in 'Scientific studies: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists' thread

Yup...when I am wrong...I acknowledge that I am wrong.

What do you see as wrong (!) with that? Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

You've been given an insight into Romeo's mind, he never admits he's wrong although he so often is. It's how an adolescent thinks, that's where he is. You're arguing with someone who hasn't progressed emotionally since he was 13.

“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.”
François de la Rochefoucauld

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Guys, guys, let me give you some debating tips.. Smile

1- Always be sure of your facts so that you're NEVER WRONG, then if people dare to argue you can humiliate them by posting a link to net articles to prove yourself right.
2- If you post something that's your own personal guess or speculation, make it clear that it IS only your personal opinion, then they can't accuse you of trying to pass something off as fact.
3- Never argue with somebody who knows his stuff; for example i'd never dare argue about golf with Frank Apisa, or about survival items with Neologist because they know far more about those subjects than me.
My own specialist subjects are military matters and ancient scriptures, and if anybody argues with me about those subjects, they're likely to be hurt real bad.. Smile

Tell 'em Rock-

"C'mon, it's true, but that don't bother me, I just wanna prove somethin', I ain't no bum, it don't matter if I lose, don't matter if Romeo opens my head.
The only thing I wanna do is go the distance, that's all.
Nobody's ever gone fifteen rounds with Romeo. If I go them fifteen rounds, an' that bell rings an' I'm still standin', I'm gonna know then I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood"...

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@Romeo Fabulini,

You're never sure of your facts, you've been caught out loads of times. The only person who thinks you're always right is you, and your reasoning is flawed.

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@Izzy- Alright mister clevadick, you're from Southampton the home of the Titanic, so tell us how many funnels it had?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

@Izzy- Alright mister clevadick, you're from Southampton the home of the Titanic, so tell us how many funnels it had?

Four...three real...one fake.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

And this somehow proves you're never wrong? Why ask a question that can easily be checked up on google? What do you expect people to do? That's 13 year old thinking for you. Change the subject in the mistaken belief you can somehow prove a point.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Bad use of "whom"...and has someone here "lost" and argument...except in your day-dreams?

It was grammatically correct and therefore unnecessarily pointed out by you.

This is what people do when they've lost, Frank.

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@Frank Apisa,

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You have done no such thing...but you are so cute when you try to bluster your way though these things. Did you learn your debate technique from a book with lots of pictures in it?

So you never answered my question before. If you actually think that a negative assertion accrues no burden of proof...if a theist asserts, "This world could not exist without a creator"...do you just accept it?

Clearly they are not the same just as "asserting" flying bunnies don't exist isn't the same as saying "the world cannot exist without flying bunnies".

Come on, now.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

What does that have to do with this thread?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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Jesus did miracles and stuff to show God's power working through him and said-

When will you realize that we don't put any stock into that nonsensical, evidence-lacking book that was written by a bunch of desert wanderers??

Lance Burton does plenty of miracles here in Vegas. That doesn't mean he's a prophet.

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@Setanta,

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Ah-hahahahahahahahaha . . .

Dream on, clown. You said something stupid, you were forced to admit it (finally), and the rest was you showing what a vile, hateful son of a bitch you are.

yes everything is a dream, so i will dream on. yes i say many stupid things, yes i admit them if i feel like it, yes i am a vile, hateful son of a bitch...toward you.

also, the idea that all religions are ultimately pantheistic is actually true, including christianity. it is simple human misinterpretation over the years that has changed most of them, with the exception of hinduism. so no, you didn't prove me wrong in the end either.

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@Setanta,

rofl at nobody else replying to this terrible excuse for a human. i will do the dirty work and continue to tear him apart.

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Jesus wept--it's not an insult to say that someone is peddling bullshit in any case in which the person concerned happens to be peddling bullshit.

yes it is an insult to tell someone they are peddling bs, no matter whether they are or not. it is still insulting to them. you are clearly too dumb to understand that, or you think that your opinion on bs is the absolute only opinion, terrible narcissism.

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That's just descriptive language. Over the years, i've taken the stance that if someone insults me, i give it back to them, in spades. After years of abuse, i decided to take no more.

rofl poor little setanta, go broadcast some sports.

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For example, Carnatic Misery there was claiming that all religions are essentially pantheism, with the possible exception of Christianity. I pointed out that that was not true.

yes you pointed out it was not true in your opinion, because you simply believe the media-presented, western interpretation of all religions. where hinduism is a billion gods and caste discrimination land, buddhism is atheism essentially, islam is terrorism essentially.

so yes, all religions do in fact point to pantheism as the ultimate truth, because it is the ultimate and only truth within the limited level of truths. any additional attributes of god have been added by religions simply by personal taste.

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That was the first time i had ever addressed a post to Carnatic Misanthropy, and it responded by calling me an idiot. It got nastier and nastier. I have no regrets about how i've responded. I've never made personal remarks about Ding und Sich, and i don't recall that i've ever made any personal remarks about JLN, either.

of course i would call you an idiot when you say i am peddling bs. it is unbelievable to me that you think there is a difference between saying 'you are peddling bs', and 'you are an idiot'. they are identical. dumbfuck.

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People seem to think that they've been gravely insulted if someone tells them what they've said is bullshit. It it's bullshit, there's no insult in saying so. Too bad if one's delicate ego can't handle it.

you just said i called you an idiot, and it got 'nastier and nastier'. and you 'have no regrets'.

who exactly is too delicate and unable to handle things in this situation? roooofl amateur ****

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