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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 07:44 am
@George,
We can all float around heaven all day on a fluffy pink cloud George. The only way I can think of that Mr Frost's beautiful lines are useful to the reader is to help him or her to stare wistfully out of the raindropped French windows, across the lawn and over the park, even more abstractedly than they had ever tried before.

I could never figure out whether Frost was taking the piss and that I was supposed to guffaw if I was to consider myself up to speed on literary one-up-man-ship.
Eva
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 07:58 am
"Never mistake endurance for hospitality."

--Unknown
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 08:17 am
@Eva,
I always did Eva. But I had a good time up to the point where it proved to be a mistake. The fall-out at that point I took on the chin. The price for the good time. I take endurance as a sign of hospitality. One simply has to. It takes a Germaine Greer to state the alternative.
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George
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 08:53 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
. . . We can all float around heaven all day on a fluffy pink cloud George.
The only way I can think of that Mr Frost's beautiful lines are useful to
the reader is to help him or her to stare wistfully out of the raindropped
French windows, across the lawn and over the park, even more
abstractedly than they had ever tried before . . .
What I take away from it is almost exactly the opposite.
Letty
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 10:28 am
@George,
Love Frost as well, George. Remember Birches?

"..Earth's the right place for love:
I don't know where it's likely to go better..."
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 10:56 am
@George,
Which might only mean that you share with Mr Frost a definition of "love" and "need". It's sentimental to me. It is conditioned by Mr Frost's position in life and his sense of self-esteem. It might be said to be mystical in the sense of producing the "oceanic" feeling in those who I tried to describe earlier. His fans. The dinner-gong going off breaks the spell. The dinner gong would not break the spell of Haggard's advice to avoid funny performances if laughing is painful and thus to avoid reading the very sentence the advice is in and, by extension, Haggard's oeuvre, and, bearing in mind that not many potential readers are in Sir Henry Curtis' state, it is a claim to be writing a funny book.

Taken either sentimentally or mystically it's not formalistic. The accusation of "formalism" was levelled by Stalin at those composers whose work was not readily appreciated by the masses. It could get artists shot. Did in fact.

The piss-take option is formalism. Aimed at an elite few. Doing a high grade flannel to show how good you can do it sort of thing. Some people accused Dickens of laughing through the composition of the death of Little Nell scene. I suppose horror movie makers crease themselves laughing at the thought that they have got a nation's aunties and damsels peeping through their fingers.

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When The Old Curiosity Shop was approaching its emotional climax — the death of Little Nell — Dickens was inundated with letters imploring him to spare her, and felt, as he said, "the anguish unspeakable," but proceeded with the artistically necessary event. Readers were desolated. The famous actor William Macready wrote in his diary that "I have never read printed words that gave me so much pain. . . . I could not weep for some time. Sensations, sufferings have returned to me, that are terrible to awaken." Daniel O'Connell, the great Irish member of Parliament, read the account of Nell's death while he was riding on a train, burst into tears, cried "He should not have killed her," and threw the novel out of the window in despair. Even Carlyle, who had not previously succumbed to Dickens's emotional manipulation, was overcome with grief, and crowds in New York awaited a vessel newly arriving from England with shouts of "Is Little Nell dead?" Tastes change, however: Oscar Wilde, that sardonic iconoclast, would later remark (though he might not, even in the saying, have believed it) that no one could read the death-scene of Little Nell without dissolving into tears — of laughter. Today, perhaps, we do not find it so mawkishly sentimental, but we cannot read it, obviously, as the Victorians did.


It is interesting it seems to me because it lines up sentimentalism and mysticism with totalitarianism.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 11:59 am
I have not read The Old Curiosity Shop since a time in the late 1950s. I don't recall if I cried.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:11 pm
@edgarblythe,
I wonder what Stalin would have made of Rock and Roll. I heard a radio programme years ago about a CIA unit in Germany after the war dedicated to altering musical appreciation after a decade of Hitler's stuff.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:17 pm
@spendius,
I believe music has a power to feed subversive thought against represive institutions. Or, as with Hitler, to help keep them in line. I think Stalin might have tried to stamp out rock before it could take hold.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:20 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Daniel O'Connell, the great Irish member of Parliament, read the account of Nell's death while he was riding on a train, burst into tears, cried "He should not have killed her," and threw the novel out of the window in despair.


I doubt he threw 'the novel' out of the window, probably Master Humphry's Clock. How reliable is your source?
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George
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:21 pm
@spendius,
Nope, not sentimental at all.

How do you think Frost (and I) define "love" and "need"?
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:37 pm
@George,
Marriage should be a duet---when one sings, the other claps.

Joe Murray

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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:41 pm
@George,
The dinner-gong going off was meant to answer that question George before it was asked.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 02:56 pm
@spendius,
Interesting serendipity George. On Coronation Street just now Sally was having a scene at a party over her daughter announcing that she was getting engaged to her girlfriend. A fair bit of shouting. Then Kevin bobbed his head round the door and said "Hey--the sausages are ready" and all the facial expressions changed and they all headed for the kitchen.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 02:34 am
"Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff."
~ Mariah Carey, pop singer
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George
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 04:28 am
@spendius,
The sausage is gone
but he question lingers on.
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George
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 04:47 am
When an early autumn walks the land
And chills the breeze
And touches with her hand the summer trees
Perhaps you'll understand
What memories I own

"Early Autumn"
Lyrics by Johnny Mercer
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 06:31 am
@George,
Your quotation put me in mind of Lewis Carroll.

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'The piece I'm going to repeat,' he went on without noticing her remark, 'was written entirely for your amusement.'
Alice felt that in that case she really ought to listen to it; so she sat down, and said 'Thank you' rather sadly,
'In winter, when the fields are white,
I sing this song for your delight —
only I don't sing it,' he added, as an explanation.
'I see you don't,' said Alice.
'If you can see whether I'm singing or not, you've sharper eyes than most,' Humpty Dumpty remarked severely. Alice was silent.
'In spring, when woods are getting green,
I'll try and tell you what I mean:
'Thank you very much,' said Alice.
'In summer, when the days are long,
Perhaps you'll understand the song:
In autumn, when the leaves are brown,
Take pen and ink, and write it down.'
'I will, if I can remember it so long,' said Alice.
'You needn't go on making remarks like that,' Humpty Dumpty said: 'they're not sensible, and they put me out.'
'I sent a message to the fish:
I told them "This is what I wish."
The little fishes of the sea,
They sent an answer back to me.
The little fishes' answer was
"We cannot do it, Sir, because —"'
'I'm afraid I don't quite understand,' said Alice.
'It gets easier further on,' Humpty Dumpty replied.
'I sent to them again to say
"It will be better to obey."
The fishes answered, with a grin,
"Why, what a temper you are in!"
I told them once, I told them twice:
They would not listen to advice.
I took a kettle large and new,
Fit for the deed I had to do.
My heart went hop, my heart went thump:
I filled the kettle at the pump.
Then some one came to me and said
"The little fishes are in bed."
I said to him, I said it plain,
"Then you must wake them up again."
I said it very loud and clear:
I went and shouted in his ear.'
Humpty Dumpty raised his voice almost to a scream as he repeated this verse, and Alice thought with a shudder, 'I wouldn't have been the messenger for anything!'
'But he was very stiff and proud:
He said, "You needn't shout so loud!"
And he was very proud and stiff:
He said "I'd go and wake them, if —"
I took a corkscrew from the shelf:
I went to wake them up myself.
And when I found the door was locked,
I pulled and pushed and kicked and knocked.
And when I found the door was shut,
I tried to turn the handle, but—'
There was a long pause.
'Is that all?' Alice timidly asked.
'That's all,' said Humpty Dumpty. 'Good-bye.'
George
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 06:51 am
@izzythepush,
Did you enjoy your day, Mr. Fawkes?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2011 07:28 am
"Nobody knows what the mysterious cat is thinking. Not even the mysterious cat."
- Garfield

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