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Is Roger Ebert Out of Line

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 03:22 am
Slate's chief political correspondent John Dickerson.
Quote:
I'm glad Roger Ebert spoke up. Jackass performer Ryan Dunn killed himself and Zachary Hartwell Monday night in a car accident after leaving from a bar. Afterward, Ebert tweeted, "Friends don't let jackasses drink and drive." He was immediately set upon. How could Ebert be so crass? "I just lost my best friend, I have been crying hysterical for a full day and this piece of **** roger Ebert has the gall to put in his 2 cents," Jackass star Bam Margera wrote.
Ebert was right. I was sick to my stomach when I read about Dunn—but not because I knew Dunn or was a fan. I was sick for his friends and those who loved him, and for those who loved Hartwell, a former Navy Seal and newlywed. You can see the anguish in Margera's face. What a waste.
But it wasn't Ebert's gall that bothered me. It was Dunn's. He was driving 130 to 140 mph in his Porsche, endangering not only his life but Hartwell's and that of anyone else on the highway. It takes gall to be that cocky with other people's lives. It takes gall to be that careless with the love and friendship of your friends and family. Dunn, who'd been busted for speeding and drunk driving before, was also drunk. His blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. That takes gall, too.
Maybe Ebert spoke too soon, especially since at the time all he knew was that Dunn had been drinking, not that he was legally drunk. We withhold immediate judgment on the dead for a reason: We don't want their last foolish act to be all that defines their life. We also want to be sensitive to the loved ones who are experiencing such pain.
But all of this pain is exactly why Ebert was right to speak up. This is the kind of pain that is caused by acting selfishly. Let the moment pass, and the lesson fades away. Maybe it's insensitive to make a lesson of death, but when you break the public trust by driving at murderous speeds—and you further break that trust by doing it at twice the legal drinking limit—you lose the protection of privacy.
We just spent several weeks hearing thousands of opinions about Rep. Anthony Weiner's lewd tweets. No one worried about crossing lines then, and few seemed to care about what the effect of the snickering commentary on Weiner or his wife or his family. It was as if his behavior opened the door to anything.
All Weiner did was send pictures. The stupid behavior underlying the sad deaths of Dunn and Hartwell is so much worse, and yet somehow Ebert isn't supposed to speak up? If only someone had the courage to speak up and keep Dunn off the road before this awful thing happened.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/browbeat/archive/2011/06/22/defending-roger-ebert.aspx
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 04:17 am
@hawkeye10,
Yawn. This guy's in the dustbin. His 15 minutes ended when he wrecjed a poerfectly good Potsche.
Its a ******* shame that he hadda kill a friend but at least Dunns not a road menace anymore. Its hard to have ANY sympathy for a moron who, according to Tredyffrin and Pa State Police, had 23 major moving violations in less than 10 years. Most were DUI related and several involved da ngerous speeding. By the rukles he should have been targeted as one whose license and driving priviledges had been removed AND MONITORED.


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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 02:34 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Ebert looks like a freaking puppet?
How would you look if your jaw were removed?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 02:34 pm
@ossobuco,
Like a freaking puppet.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 02:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
exactly
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 02:43 pm
Ebert is totally right. There's no reason to call this Dunn guy anything other than what he was: a reckless menace. If he had gone around randomly shooting a pistol at people on the street, you wouldn't see everyone crying and talking about what a tragedy it was that he hit himself by mistake.

But that's what driving your car, very drunk, at 130 miles an hour is: engaging in behaviors that very well could and probably will kill someone, with total disregard for the consequences. As far as I'm concerned, he committed manslaughter against his friend.

I am a little biased tho - I hate those Jackass guys, they're all idiots. Can't believe that people pay money to watch them on TV or the movies.

Cycloptichorn
Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 02:49 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
They don't watch him anymore. Gawd 'called him home' to watch over his funny little jackass. I think He had a product recall on that model!
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 02:51 pm
@Ragman,
he died doing what he loved best, being a jackass

i like the jackass guys, but i also believe that nothing is sacred and there is no such thing as too soon
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 07:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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I am a little biased tho - I hate those Jackass guys, they're all idiots. Can't believe that people pay money to watch them on TV or the movies.
the silver lining is that now that we know that these guys can be as stupid as they act, with total disregard for their lives and others, the brand is deeply damaged. Very few respectable companies are going to buy into that.

I never liked them either, MythBusters is as far along that line as I go.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2011 11:02 am
@djjd62,
Too bad he didn't take himself out ONLY. I wonder how his passenger-victim felt and the family of the victim. I hope the pasenger's family can sue the estate of this asshole - not that any compensation can ameliorate this loss.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2011 11:42 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ebert is totally right. There's no reason to call this Dunn guy anything other than what he was: a reckless menace. If he had gone around randomly shooting a pistol at people on the street, you wouldn't see everyone crying and talking about what a tragedy it was that he hit himself by mistake.
That 's a good point; good & true.





David
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2011 11:49 am
@Ragman,
it is sad that he killed a friend as well

but

he did get in a car with a drunk (very drunk if the blood alcohol readings are to be believed) driver
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2011 12:21 pm
@djjd62,
And ...?

Maybe he misguidedly figured that he could help by keeping his friend under some sort of vigilance? Or maybe he was just as drunk and out-of-control. If so, what a horrible fate.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2011 07:29 pm
That anyone can be considered "out of line" saying anything about a member of the Jackass Crew is ironic to the 3rd power.

Having said this, I do think it was gratuitous.

Does Ebert comment on every incident of drunk driving he learns about in his writings?

Is there some sort of attractive irony at work in an accident that involves a Jackass Crew member and a drunken driving fatality? I don't think so.

Ebert clearly doesn't appreciate the Jackass Crew and their movies. No problem there, but to take a shot at them in the context of reporting on the death of one of their members is bitchy to the nth (but not over the line).

One might even say it is puppetty.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2011 07:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Ebert clearly doesn't appreciate the Jackass Crew and their movies. No problem there, but to take a shot at them in the context of reporting on the death of one of their members is bitchy to the nth (but not over the line).
Your take surprises....I can imagine Ebert being morally troubled by being a cog in an industry that would make the irresponsible "jack ass" brand into a movie, that he more or less held his tongue hoping that these guys are not as stupid in real life as they are in front of the camera, and being pissed when he finds out that at least one of them is as dangerously stupid as they come...and blowing up. Eberts response comes off as being very human to me.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2011 07:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
What can I say?

We see it differently.
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