Why do atheist try to convert Christians

@reasoning logic,

As I have said before, you seem like a decent person. But, you keep saying the right things like "let's share information", etc., but then you post things that prove you are only wanting to share what you believe. If you think I am led astray then that is what you think. Just be honest up front about it. Don't try to sugarcoat your actions and try to schmooze me into ignoring the fact you have already made up your mind.

Your opinions are yours. I may not like some of them but I am certainly not going to tell you that you are not entitled to them. There are more than likely things I have said that you do not like. I don't have a problem with that.

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@reasoning logic,

Go read what I just posted about that. I did not deny saying any of it but it was taken out of context.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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I am sure atheists do not make better traders than the religious because they are more trustworthy .

By Rod Swift
I have expanded the figures to provide a % of the total respondents, and I have ranked them (they were presented to me alphabetically). These stats were obtained from their computer on 5 March 1997.

Dear Mr. Swift:

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious
affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of
inmates per religion category:

Response Number %
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Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%
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Total Known Responses 74731 100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)

Unknown/No Answer 18381
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Total Convicted 93112 80.259% (74731) prisoners' religion is known.

Held in Custody 3856 (not surveyed due to temporary custody)
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Total In Prisons 96968

I hope that this information is helpful to you.

Sincerely,

Denise Golumbaski
Research Analyst
Federal Bureau of Prisons

Now, let's just deal with the nasty Christian types, no?

Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%

Judeo-Christian Total 62594 83.761% (of the 74731 total responses)
Total Known Responses 74731

Not unexpected as a result. Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).

I don't know if this really explains anything. Over here one of the main criticisms of American justice is the disproportionate amount of black people in prison.

Are those who claim to be religious really that way, or are they just saying it because they believe it might stand them in good stead when it comes to parole? I quite often hear about prisoners having some religious conversion whilst in prison, a high profile example being tory ex-minister Jonathon Aitken. I've never heard of prisoners having some humanistic revelation about the futility of existence.

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@Arella Mae,

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I said maybe you should take Miss Mame's advice and just shut up.

I suggest you do as Mame said and JUST SHUT UP! Like I said, this is what I am seeing from you from now on, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Rolling Eyes

We all interpret things in all sorts of ways we could interpret that as "He should Shut up" or we could interpret it as "Maybe he should Shut up"

To be honest with you either way sounds very unkind to me!

I am not trying to be mean just showing you that we all interpret these things many different ways. When I herd bill say something like he dose not care how you think I thought to myself shame on him because she is a person and should be considered as one and be cared about because no matter how wrong she might be she is still a person and we can all come around. Well at least I can have hope for that even though I have no evidence to back up my hope!
I seem to hear the same things coming from you but just in a different way!

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@reasoning logic,

Give her a break mate, her dog's been shot by some nutjob, and she's very frightened. I can't imagine what that must feel like.

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@izzythepush,

Sorry to hear about your dog Arella Mae,.

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@reasoning logic,

I don't recall saying that it was kind. I also have not claimed that it was perfect behavior because it wasn't. What puzzles me is you accept horrible behaviors from others and say nothing about them but if I "am not towing that line" you are going to let me know it?

I am not perfect. I never claimed to be. I make mistakes. I do things that are wrong. I won't deny that. I take responsibility for what I do wrong. At least you actually posted what I said and didn't make it look like something it was not. I get angry just like anyone else in this world does.

So now do you feel better? You proved that I, as a Christian, am not perfect? I get along very well with some people on A2K that think my beliefs are just nuts. You know why? Because they are honest about it. I respect them for that.

By the way, if you really want to see bad behavior from me, go check out the Rape thread. I let a few people have it pretty good. It was wrong and I owned up to that and I apologized to them for that. But, maybe it will make you feel even better to see just how human I am.

I should not be posting today and I think I will stay off A2K for the rest of the day. We had to have our neighbor arrested last night for shooting one of the dogs that I rescued. Right now, I'm not feeling all that generous towards others. If I stay on A2K today I would probably let this anger out on someone that doesn't deserve it.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Give her a break mate, her dog's been shot by some nutjob, and she's very frightened. I can't imagine what that must feel like.

Thank you. I am glad you understand. I am afraid. My husband is at work and I am home alone. I hate feeling like this. Rescuing animals is a passion of mine. To know that after one was in my care and they were still abused like that is hard to accept.

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@Arella Mae,

I don't get on at all well with the people over the road. I can't imagine how things could escalate if guns were brought into the equation, dirty looks from chain smoking chavs are stressful enough.

I just hope they lock him up safely out of harms way. Take Care.

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@Arella Mae,

I was just hoping that if I pointed out that we all get it wrong including you, that maybe you will remember this and forgive me and everyone else when we are coming across as ignorant. Some times it is just bad communication and other times we are just being emotional but no ill intended coming from me!

Just ask why I say the things I say if you want to know. I might dance around the question trying not to offend or for other reasons but if you are persistent you will probably find what I am meaning.

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This will seem very bizarre to many and I do not claim it to be absolute but I do claim it to hold value!

Non-violence and the quest for freedom everywhere

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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For atheists to doubt and investigate that doubt
You mean agnostics .

I was talking about the positive doubt in respect of scientific investigation not about God.

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@Arella Mae,

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Taking things a bit out of context aren't you?

No, I am not . I would rather a filthy mouth then have it back up into my mind . Which is exactly what I suspect of these ratbag fundamentalists of doing...

I wasnt interested in how I perceive I treat people, I asked you how do you think I treat people...if you dont know, then admit so . I also asked for your opinion about how you treat people .

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If you are going to quote me saying something, please be honest and quote it correctly.

Those quotes are taken from two of your posts directed to the one person . If you feel they are inaccurate, point out the error.... if you dont like what you said, then retract it .

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Yes, I put him on ignore so that I will not be tempted to get in a fight with him. There is nothing wrong with that.

So you are better of ignoring people than exercising self control... do you have a filthy mouth ? Is that your worry ?

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@igm,

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I was talking about the positive doubt in respect of scientific investigation not about God.

So for atheists, God will never be investigated.... how did they arrive at that position without scientific investigation ? Was it a leap of faith ? If it was a scientific investigation, then a true scientist would leave it open for further science... isnt that one of the main criticisms atheists have of religious people ? That they have closed minds ?

Surely atheists who did not have a leap of faith will be agnostic .

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@Ionus,

Scientists is in a way are constantly on the lookout for your fairy tale god as if one case of the overruling or suspension of natural laws are found I am sure that is there would be mobs of scientists looking into the matter.

When there seems at the time to be a very very very tiny unknown force acting on two pioneer space probes years of work/research went into looking into the matter

Given that there is zero indication of such a supernatural being to date enacting with the universe it is hard to investigate a non-being or a being in hiding at least.

Where do you suggest scientists and or atheists begin to look for the tooth fairy or the Christian god or gods depending on how you count the three in one god other then the very details workings of the universe?

As far as leaf of faith in non-beliefs in gods given me a break did you need to have a leap of faith to dismiss the tooth fairy or the god Zeus for example as being at all likely a part of the real universe?

If and when there is evidence of some supernatural being showing up to place coins under the pillows of children or stop the sun in the sky then we will look into the matter.

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@BillRM,

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Scientists is in a way are constantly on the lookout for your fairy tale god as if one case of the overruling or suspension of natural laws are found I am sure that is there would be mobs of scientists looking into the matter.

Yes but not if they are also atheists .

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Given that there is zero indication of such a supernatural being to date enacting with the universe

So how was the Big Bang created ? Some think it was the merger of two dimensions... some think it was an all powerful entity like a dimension .

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Where do you suggest scientists and or atheists begin to look for the tooth fairy or the Christian god or gods depending on how you count the three in one god other then the very details workings of the universe?

I am happy for them to go their way of doubting Thomas... but they shouldnt convert anyone along the way because they are not certain they are right... equally, I think religious people should present their point of view and leave it at that .

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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I was talking about the positive doubt in respect of scientific investigation not about God.
So for atheists, God will never be investigated.... how did they arrive at that position without scientific investigation ? Was it a leap of faith ? If it was a scientific investigation, then a true scientist would leave it open for further science... isnt that one of the main criticisms atheists have of religious people ? That they have closed minds ?

Surely atheists who did not have a leap of faith will be agnostic .

Yes, many are. But you'd need to read all of my posts to understand the context of what I was saying. I don't think you've got the context of what I was saying correct. I was just talking about the type of personality many atheists have. Agnostics are also inquisitive by nature. Many theists tend to have a certain amount of 'blind faith' when it comes to religion especially (they’d have to). Obviously this is just a general observation and I'm sure there are many atheists and agnostics who have 'blind faith' as a component of their system of beliefs.

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@Ionus,

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So how was the Big Bang created ? Some think it was the merger of two dimensions... some think it was an all powerful entity like a dimension .

Making up fantasies to cover areas of knowledge we do not as yet understand had never proven helpful in the history of the race. We did not understand lightening any better by making up gods who use lightening bolts as weapons.

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... but they shouldnt convert anyone along the way because they are not certain they are right...

So you would not try to convict a mentally sick person that he is not Napoleon the first because he just might be as there is no absolute proof that he is wrong?

There is no absolute proof of anything in the universe as a matter of fact.

Your position that nothing can be taught without absolute proof mean nothing can be taught.

The best humans can do is going on very high order probability of how the universe is put together with a willingness to adjust our views when more evidences come along.

Irrational believes however are still irrational believes to a very high order of probabilities be that belief that a person is Napoleon or that of a Christian god exist.

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@Ionus,

Oh, one other comment most of us are given our faith in a supranational being or beings by our care givers before we had reach the age of reason.

You seem not to have a problem with that conditioning just a problem with adults trying to convict other adults that this early conditioning is wrong and in fact irrational.

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@Ionus,

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I am happy for them to go their way of doubting Thomas... but they shouldnt convert anyone along the way because they are not certain they are right... equally, I think religious people should present their point of view and leave it at that .

Are you saying that it is bad to convert people to their way of doubting? How can people not be certain that doubting is right?

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