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Why do atheist try to convert Christians

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:09 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I do not know of anyone that would want everyone to think identical on all issues but it would help if we could think as close to reality as possible and without all of the lies that are taught.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:11 pm
@igm,
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Even atheists know deep down that won’t solve the worlds problems.


Far less suicide bombers or fools flying planes into buildings shouting god is great or having Protestants and Catholics going after each others in Ireland or fools trying to block the teaching of science or beatings up women in the public streets for being out without a male family member or not covering up completely.

Yes it would not solve every problem in the world but it would be one hell of a good beginning.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:13 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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When the whole world believes the same the world will be a poorer place...


Or put another way when the whole world is rational instead of a large part being irrational it would be a poorer place.

My reply....BULLSHIT.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:25 pm
@BillRM,
Even so...it will be a less diverse and thus poorer place BillRM...
People often compartmentalise issues and questions in a binary black and white manner, like with or without God...I would be happier if only those who feel the urge to believe in God at least present a more rational construction of it...the idea of Set or of Wholeness would suffice...
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:26 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Do you both agree that if the world stops believing in a flat earth and starts knowing that the earth is not as flat as they once thought it was it would be a bad thing?


Before Rome was a world power and before the so call birth of Christ the Greek not only knew that the world was round but the diameter of the earth to a fair degree and yet the church well over a thousands years later was doing it best to suppress such insights.

We have our young lady AM telling us that she does not believe in evolution for the same kinds of reasons that the church once question that the world was round or that the earth was not the center of the universe.

The details of the sickness that is religion change from a earth center world view to a anti-evolution world view but it is driven by the same sickness onto this very time and date.

Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:29 pm
@BillRM,
Mind that the cause for such unfortunate setbacks is not only in Church but essentially on those 70% of people that make the magic number of what "the people" the common folk are...while that number does n´t change down, the civilizational regresses will keep coming time and again...
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:35 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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Even so...it will be a less diverse and thus poorer place BillRM...
People often compartmentalise issues and questions in a binary black and white manner, like with or without God...I would be happier if only those who feel the urge to believe in God at least present a more rational construction of it...the idea of Set of Wholeness would suffice...


Being rational and being religion can not co-exist and even those religion persons who hold fairly benign believes can be turn into a destructive force and tool if the right/wrong religion leader come along.
igm
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:40 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Even atheists know deep down that won’t solve the world's problems.

Far less suicide bombers or fools flying planes into buildings shouting god is great or having Protestants and Catholics going after each others in Ireland or fools trying to block the teaching of science or beatings up women in the public streets for being out without a male family member or not covering up completely.

Yes it would not solve every problem in the world but it would be one hell of a good beginning.

I'll stick with what I've said up to now, please check my previous posts for my reply.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:40 pm
@BillRM,
It depends on what you accept as a fair description of being "religious"...Einstein was to an extent religious as also were so many other great scientists and philosophers along History...it just so happens that is idea of God in its mathematical condition hardly classifies in a normal typical definition of being religious...
igm
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:45 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Do you both agree that if the world stops believing in a flat earth and starts knowing that the earth is not as flat as they once thought it was it would be a bad thing?


I'll stick with what I've said up to now, please check my previous posts for my reply. Smile
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:53 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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Einstein was to an extent religious has also were so many other great scientists and philosophers along History...


Sorry he was no such thing even if he used the word god and nature as meaning one and the same.

He was told by the US religion leaders of the late 1940s early 1950s that if he was not a believer in god he should return to Germany.

Hell there was public letters written by Christians leaders of all thing telling him that he should be ashame for rejecting the believes of his Jewish faith!!!!!!

You need to be very dishonest to claim because like myself he felt the universe was both strange and wonderful that he was religion in any repeat any normal meaning of that term.

No personal god, no belief that faith alone was enough in any area of his life.

Most important no belief that there was a god that could change or suspense the laws of nature at his or her or it whim.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:58 pm
@BillRM,
As I told you it all depends on what you claim to mean "Religious"...
As I am a fan of Einstein since young age I am well aware on is personnel beliefs concerning Religion...still you cannot define him as an atheist...

This is a public place and publically speaking I agree with you regarding on how we should speak on Einstein´s beliefs...but privately I would n ´t indulge in such an easy tagging...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:04 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
...more, being religious or atheist does not certify reason to no one in itself...its just a dangerous easy tagging...
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:06 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Oh well there was any numbers of mainspring religion leaders during his life time who had no problem at all in hanging the term atheist on him.

So if you wish to bend the meaning of religion to cover atheists such as myself and Einstein be my guess as we both had fallen back at times to using the term god to mean nature and we both have a deep respect and appreciation of the universe.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:07 pm
@BillRM,
I do find it odd that people make claims about how great thinkers were religious.

The way societies have worked around the world are, "if you plan on fitting in you better at least say that you see god the same way as them or you would be a outcast, "you may not find a mate or who knows you could have all sorts of bad things happen to you, "its not just a christian thing it is a culture thing!
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:08 pm
@BillRM,
Great so the "three" of us agree on something...(I mean you and me and Einstein) Wink
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:12 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I do find it odd that people make claims about how great thinkers were religious.


In relationship to the US founding fathers I call is lying for Jesus that the main founders was all good Bible Believing Christians and somehow our model was not the early Rome Republic but we was set up as a Christian nation in some manner or other.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:12 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
...70% of the World will always have their kind of God be it Religion as we normally describe it be it football..similarly the 30% left will always have their kind of "God", be it The Universe or Set Theory...aside that there is n´t much more to say about it...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:18 pm
@BillRM,
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In relationship to the US founding fathers I call is lying for Jesus that the main founders was all good Bible Believing Christians and somehow our model was not the early Rome Republic but we was set up as a Christian nation in some manner or other.


I do not quite understand what you are saying.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:26 pm
@reasoning logic,
I
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do not quite understand what you are saying.


No? The religion right in the US tend to try to rewrite history to turn all the founding fathers of the country into bible carrying Christians and also claims that is some manner we was set up to be a Christian country based on Christian principles.

 

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