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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 08:27 am
there's a new series Morgan Freeman narrates about the Universe on the Science Channel. Tonight it's about how now scientists think the Universe is finite which begs the question what's after the edge of the Universe?

That to me begs the question "If there's something beyond the Universe... doesn't that negate the theory that there's an end to the Universe" Isn't Universe sort of an umbrella term for everything out there? Is this a science or a semantics question?
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 10:40 am
If the universe is closed, then travelling long enough in a straight line brings one back to one's starting point.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 05:16 pm
@Brandon9000,
So the answer then is that if the Universe is finite there is no edge to it? Wouldn't it then be infinite??
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 06:15 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
I'm looking forward to watching the series if I can pry BBB away from the 24/7 cable news channels.
laughoutlood
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 07:30 pm
@Butrflynet,
Tell him there's a documentary on and don't mention blueveinedthrobber if at all possible..
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 09:37 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
Here's the companion website for the series. Anyone who missed tonight's episode of Through the Wormhole can watch it there.

http://science.discovery.com/tv/through-the-wormhole/
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2011 05:52 am
@laughoutlood,
BBB is a woman. Do try to keep up.
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2011 08:25 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
The universe is thought to be finite but unbounded.

A good analogy for this is to look at the surface of a balloon. In the 2-dimensional surface of the balloon, there is no edge. If you use a marker to draw dots on the balloon, and blow the balloon up to a larger diameter, the dots get farther apart, but there is no "center" within that 2D surface. Each of those dots could represent a galaxy (or even a galactic cluster). By the same token, the universe is expanding, but there is no center in the usual sense.

The 3D space of the physical universe is similarly finite but unbounded, with the "radius" being in the 4th dimension (time). Like someone else said, if you go far enough in one direction, you end up where you started. Only you'd have to travel far faster than light to appreciate that. At the speed of light you'd return to a Milky Way galaxy that no longer had Earth and the sun. They would've died billions of years earlier, and all that would be left is a feeble white dwarf and perhaps four planets. All the familiar constellations would have disappeared near the beginning of your journey.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2011 12:34 pm
@lone77star,
lone77star wrote:

The universe is thought to be finite but unbounded.

A good analogy for this is to look at the surface of a balloon. In the 2-dimensional surface of the balloon, there is no edge. If you use a marker to draw dots on the balloon, and blow the balloon up to a larger diameter, the dots get farther apart, but there is no "center" within that 2D surface. Each of those dots could represent a galaxy (or even a galactic cluster). By the same token, the universe is expanding, but there is no center in the usual sense.

The 3D space of the physical universe is similarly finite but unbounded, with the "radius" being in the 4th dimension (time). Like someone else said, if you go far enough in one direction, you end up where you started. Only you'd have to travel far faster than light to appreciate that. At the speed of light you'd return to a Milky Way galaxy that no longer had Earth and the sun. They would've died billions of years earlier, and all that would be left is a feeble white dwarf and perhaps four planets. All the familiar constellations would have disappeared near the beginning of your journey.


There is no validity to any description of what would happen if one travelled faster than light, since it is impossible to accelerate to the speed of light. Please cite your source.
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