Did Waterboarding lead to the death of Osama?

Do you consider Bush a war criminal?

It's a meaningless question--it's a statistic.

If Bush the lesser got the US into a war under knowingly false pretence, yes, he is a war criminal. But that is personal opinion, the real determination of innocence or guilt should be left for the courts.

Now, do I think Bush the lesser should be prosecuted, in court, as a war criminal? Yes. Do I consider prosecution likely? No.

Rap

Is 9-11 just a statistic?

Do you consider Bush a war criminal, Renaldo?

What is your evidence that Bush is a war criminal?

It has become one---a marching chant, 'remember the WTC 2500!'

No one remembers that's nearly the same number of servicemen that died at Pearl Harbor. Or that that almost the same number of Americans died during the three days of Gettysburg as during the seven years of Vietnam.

Statistics are tools used to inflate or deflate history and politics.

Rap

Read my post, boobie---Going to war under false pretence.

That isn't the test, Rap. This was a war of aggression, the ultimate war crime, the crime of a rogue nation that did not gain approval from the UN, let alone the world community.



I find the idea of a prosecution unlikely to be unfathomable, considering that the people of the United States, on the whole, firmly believe in the rule of law.

I think this, how to describe it, ... this conspiracy of silence, this failure to state clearly one's position, the equivocating that goes on allows these war criminals, and they are nothing but war criminals, to not only walk free, but actually enjoy their lives.

What would be the response of Americans, of any people, if Hitler had been able to live out his life in comfort and approbation?

Do you mean the WMDs thing?

Who is going to be the judge and jury in those courts?

That was only a partial excuse---and not a conclusive justification.

Interesting

My Jewish grandmother was apt to say that if Hitler had stopped after invading Poland in 39 he would have gone down in history a one of Germany's greatest statesmen even while continuing the genocide.

Rap

Okay. Since the US House and Senate voted to invade Iraq, would all those who gave the permission be war criminals also?

"The principal lesson we learned from Nuremberg is that a war of aggression -- that means, a war in violation of international law, in violation of the UN charter, and not in self-defense -- is the supreme international crime, because all the other crimes happen in war. And every leader who is responsible for planning and perpetrating that crime should be held to account in a court of law, and the law applies equally to everyone."

Benjamin Ferencz [was] a prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials, where he prosecuted numerous Nazi war criminals, including some responsible for the deaths of upward of 100,000 innocent people.

Okay. Was Saddam a war criminal?

I don't think that many Americans view it as a statistic, Rap.



While these examples are indeed regrettable, I think this helps illustrate the problem. These have nothing to do with what is the central issue, the war crimes that have caused immeasurably more harm, way more deaths, to the innocent peoples of two countries that did nothing to the US.

In fact, it must be noted, that the evil that existed within these two countries was Proudly Made in the USA.

No, it wasn't made in the USA. It was made by Islam. OBL and the Taliban are muslims who believe in Islam as their nation, and they are not made by Americans. That is an ignorant statement.

Nothing is made in the USA these days
But they aren't TRUE muslims because no TRUE muslim would do such a thing.

Without any doubt, Renaldo. But there's no need to go that far. You're only trying to score some sadly misguided picayune partisan points. What's so funny is that you don't see the irony in it.

Obviously, there's a limit to who can and should be prosecuted. If there was unlimited prison space available, even you might qualify for free room and board, but that's just not realistic.

However, your desperate song and dance routine doesn't change the facts one iota. Bush and his gang ARE war criminals. Their actions are the very actions that saw numerous German and Japanese war criminals convicted and hung.

Doesn't that just make your heart close to bursting with pride?

It really isn't at all pertinent to the issues that you are hell bent on obfuscating.