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Did Waterboarding lead to the death of Osama?

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failures art
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 09:39 am
@revelette,
The extent of the information was that Osama had a courier. Hardly somethin we didn't know.

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parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 09:49 am
@revelette,
If you want to follow the trail back and back and back.. then sure.. you can find all kinds of stuff.

If you want to be really cynical then Clinton led to getting Osama because if Clinton hadn't allowed 9/11 to happen we would never have gone after him.
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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 09:50 am
@revelette,
Like I said, there are gonna be a lot of lefties with red faces when all the facts come out.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 09:51 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Just like all the lefties that are red faced when the facts come out about Obama's birth place.
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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 09:51 am
@failures art,
If you knew that before they waterboarded Sheik Mohammed then you had a duty to give the info to the necessary people. You may be a co-conspirator. If I were you, I'd have someone else open my mailbox.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 09:54 am
Gee, Renaldo, you didn't know that Osama didn;t walk up himself to al Jazeera to deliver those communiques? What a doofus.
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failures art
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 09:59 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

If you knew that before they waterboarded Sheik Mohammed then you had a duty to give the info to the necessary people.

The "necessary people" did have the information. The useful/actionable information about a courier is not that the courier simply exists (something we would have assumed regardless), but info on his name/alias and habits (which we got later from a different source).

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

You may be a co-conspirator.

In fighting AQ? I do work in national defense/security, so yeah. Safe bet.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

If I were you, I'd have someone else open my mailbox.

I'm perfectly capable of walking down the driveway.

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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:04 am
Looks like it all boils down to how the info on the courier was obtained. If it was obtained through waterboarding then the idiot lefties who reailed against it are looking pathetic. Makes Bush look like he knew what he was doing, and that is something that makes the left want to throw up. I love it.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:06 am
@failures art,
Being a security guard at the welfare office doesn't make you a member of our national defense.
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:08 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
It don't look like the information was obtained through water boarding. The information was obtained after water boarding was discontinued. Feel free to love it.
sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:12 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Incorrect information was obtained through waterboarding.

The correct info was obtained through conventional (non-torture) interrogation.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:19 am
@revelette,
"doesn't" would be the correct word there, not "don't". I bet you attended our wonderful public school system.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:21 am
ah, renaldo, trying to redirect again.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:26 am
@MontereyJack,
Fun to watch you all running around.
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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 10:26 am
@sozobe,
That's what you've been indoctrinated to repeat. Polly want a cracker?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 12:26 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
You are tangled in your strings again Renaldo.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 01:19 pm
@parados,
And do you really believe no one was waterboarded afterwards?

I find it highly unlikely - although I wouldn't necessarily rely on O'Reilly accounts - just simply common sense. I am sure there are alot of ugly things that go on that is not generally known.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 01:20 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

And do you really believe no one was waterboarded afterwards?


If they were than a lot of people were lying to Congress and should be prosecuted.
Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 01:23 pm
@parados,
Yep - I wouldn't doubt it - we are not privy to what goes on - I am sure there are lots of stuff going on that isn't pretty - it may not be waterboarding perhaps, but maybe something else - maybe something even worse.

I think it would be very naive to think there was no torture involved.
failures art
 
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Reply Tue 3 May, 2011 02:33 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Linkat wrote:

And do you really believe no one was waterboarded afterwards?


If they were than a lot of people were lying to Congress and should be prosecuted.

Yep. So until a person steps forward to confess to perjury, waterboarding gets zero credit.

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