Proof that consciousness evolved from physical matter?

If your grasp of the english language is such that this is a problem for you I suggest you take lessons or something, because this is really very simple.

Now, if you have anything topic related I would be happy to carry on the discussion.

I have not disputed the fact that it is SIMPLE.





To what purpose, Cy?????
If u believe that it is logically OK to simultaneously
affirm and deny the same proposition,
then (meaning no personal disrespect) for what reason
shoud anyone care what u believe about ANYTHING? Will u explain that, please????

Your opinions are significant IF YOU ARE ABLE TO REASON,
but if u lack the simplest understanding of logic,
believing instead that u can both assert and deny the same proposition at the same time,
then what difference does it make what you believe about anything??

Will u tell us that ?????????

Thank u.





David

This is your idiotic interpretation of my words.

An example: If I say that I do not know where I stand on the issue of abortion, that means that I am undecided as to wether or not I think it is ok for people to do it, but that I am still interested in the issue.
It does not mean that I am thinking something that I don't know that I am thinking. It does not mean that I am both for and against abortion.

It is pathetic really, the way you seek to twist my words into something you can tear down...

In your ( "idiotic" as u put it ?? ) mind, it means that,
but that is not what the words themselves, in their syntactical deployment MEAN.

If u fall into error in adding a column of numbers
and then give that error to your friend
while u mistakenly believe that thay constitute a specific sum total;
if he discovers your error, then u shoud not defend the mistake
of arithmetic, insisting that it is correct ON THE GROUNDS THAT
IT IS WHAT U WERE THINKING when u gave him the numbers.









It does. U appear to believe that your subjective,
inconsistent beliefs r transmitted with the words to their reader; thay r NOT.






AGREED; it does not mean that u r both for and against abortion.
It means that u simultaneously affirm and deny that u have an opinion on abortion.
It means that u directly, oxymoronically contradict yourself.


If someone asperses your reasoning,
u might be able to vindicate yourself,
but if U impugn yourself, that is a serious matter.






By your words, u define your mind.
Your words, in their syntax, REPRESENT u. Your words are your FLAG.


U choose to defend the flaws in your writing,
instead of rectifying them.

I feel saddened.

I ‘d hoped for better.
Tho u seem like a pleasant fellow, I 'm glad that u don t work for me.
If someone in my employ demonstrated your persistent, systemic errors of analysis:
unfortunately, I 'd be called upon to DO something about that.

In another century, I was the chairman of a scholarship committee.
We received a bell-curved distribution of applications for
the scholarship funding: some of them were WONDERFUL,
replete with many beauties and much allure.
Applicants included explanatory essays
of their reasoning in desiring the $$,
what thay 'd do with it, personal ambitions, filosofy.


Some of them were jokes and e z to discard
(e.g., a short one that was written in colored crayon on a paper napkin).

As to the others, casting aside the mediocre ones,
the best contestants broke my heart, in that I had fewer scholarships to grant
than I had superbly worthy applications. That can be an unhappy (and unpaid) job.

The better ones win.
The worse ones lose.

It saddens me to say this, Cyracuz,
but in my mind: I must reduce u in my estimation
below a level that I take seriously,
because of your demonstrated mental incapacity.
U appear to be intellectually disabled from using logic accurately.
U prefer to defend a flawed calculation, rather than to correct it. O, well.

I wish u a lot of good luck!
I hope that u will win the MegaMillions Jackpot and the Powerball BOTH
and that u will get all the lovely girls that u want.


I wish u happiness.
I wish u precision.

May your life will be filled with beauty.





David

It's hillarious how you are actually arguing against yourself...

And you know what I meant with that phrase... But since you have nothing of value to the actual topic here, you chose to quarrel about something that is utterly irrelevant...

Get over yourself!

OK. Many chuckles to u.





David

If you want to argue the meaning of common phrases, please start a thread about it and don't derail this one completely.

I have abandoned my corrective efforts, as being hopeless.

In candor, I cannot address u expecting any serious response.

I wish u the Best.





David

In candor, I suspect that applies to most of the people you talk at, and it says more about you than about them.

I remain innocent of your accusation.
I did not do that.





David

To recap:

This was intended to be a discussion about the notion that consciousness is a product of physical matter.
As I have not been able to find any scientific proof for this idea, I have asked that those who think of this as scientific fact provide some. So far we have been unable to find any.

Let the record indicate that I join with those who have found no
proof of that idea (nor evidence, either).





David

My problem with that is that I don´t even know what it means or addresses...
..."matter"...not about being solid or palpable for what is there, but about being solid or palpable for me and those who I experience in me as "them"...thus the "palpable" in "my world"..."MATTER" is already the product of Conscience, and "Conscience" the only matter that matters !
Its an ensemble !

“Consciousness is the stone that creates the waves in a sea of nothing”-Richard Gerber





David

I can't make sense of it either, but that doesn't change the fact that it is how we are brought up to think about it...

Perhaps such a poetic desctipton is the best we can hope to come up with...

how else can consciousness become ?

if physical is not essential then why the physical form in the first place ?

it seems whether we like it or not , a physical form , matter , well matters to being conscious

take away matter , then upon what enviroment does the consciousess contemplate ?

none

Correct me if I am rong,
but I infer that your question tacitly implies
that if we do not KNOW a satisfactory answer
to your question, then NONE can EXIST; yes ?






O, u know that the physical form IS in the FIRST place ???

How did u figure that out ????




Seems to whom ???





I dunno; your guess is as good as mine.





CONGRATULATIONS upon discovering this information.
U shoud get the Nobel Prize for this achievement.
Will u reveal how u succeeded in acquiring it ?????





David

well it seems that the spirtual is not enough








sensible

since the spirit would just evolve in the spirit world









to me

Lemme get this straight, North:
If there EXISTS a non-material consciousness,
then u are convinced that for some reason, it is IMPELLED to render EVIDENCE to u ????





David