A Bible Club Controversy

School staff leading the activity is the problem.

And the "best outcome" should he challenge the matter is that the teacher would need to stop leading the club.

The club and similar clubs are legal.

Oh horseshit . . . the club is not illegal. It is arguably illegal to use publicly financed facilities for the activities of the club--the club itself is not illegal. Don't make **** up.

It is a damn shame that by an 8 to 9 ruling the SC did not agree with your opinion.

Perhaps there had been a new amendment to the Constitution that I am not aware of that would allow your opinion to overrule the SC.

Nice attempt to side step while making a snotty remark. The fact remains, you're making **** up. The club is not illegal.

as you have already confirmed

http://able2know.org/topic/169879-2#post-4554709

That is the second time you stated that the Supreme Court ruled "8 to 9." Are you sure you understand the ruling accurately?

ok

that's funny

Note also that the Supremes upheld that right on the basis of the free exercise clause, which has the same weight as the no establishment clause. Having determined that in that case there was no government endorsement of religion, the free exercise clause trumps.

It is not illegal to use publicly financed facilities for religion clubs meetings by a 8 to 9 SC ruling!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said arguably--and i also specified publicly-financed. If the club wants to meet outside school hours, which would require keeping the heating on and an employee there, that could be a violation.

But, of course, as Wandel has pointed out, you seem already to be confused about how the Supremes operate, as you latest post shows. Did you not do well in math in school?

Third time.

Yes and look up the ruling for yourself and second religions clubs are meetings in public schools every school day in the US under that ruling.

So I do not know what more that you desire!!!!!!!!

Too much noise to signal ratio, Boss . . . i don't think it's going to sink in.

I'll give BillRM a break. Five out of every four people do not understand ratios.

The Constitution doesn't demand a separation of math club and state nor chess club and state.

Below is the Federal law that the SC upheld and I am beginning to think some of you on this thread are willing to denial reality because you do not care for any religion meeting in a public school.

Sorry below is the law that had been upheld when challenge in court.



http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode20/usc_sec_20_00004071----000-.html


TITLE 20 > CHAPTER 52 > SUBCHAPTER VIII > § 4071
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How Current is This? (a) Restriction of limited open forum on basis of religious, political, philosophical, or other speech content prohibited
It shall be unlawful for any public secondary school which receives Federal financial assistance and which has a limited open forum to deny equal access or a fair opportunity to, or discriminate against, any students who wish to conduct a meeting within that limited open forum on the basis of the religious, political, philosophical, or other content of the speech at such meetings.
(b) “Limited open forum” defined
A public secondary school has a limited open forum whenever such school grants an offering to or opportunity for one or more noncurriculum related student groups to meet on school premises during noninstructional time.
(c) Fair opportunity criteria
Schools shall be deemed to offer a fair opportunity to students who wish to conduct a meeting within its limited open forum if such school uniformly provides that—
(1) the meeting is voluntary and student-initiated;
(2) there is no sponsorship of the meeting by the school, the government, or its agents or employees;
(3) employees or agents of the school or government are present at religious meetings only in a nonparticipatory capacity;
(4) the meeting does not materially and substantially interfere with the orderly conduct of educational activities within the school; and
(5) nonschool persons may not direct, conduct, control, or regularly attend activities of student groups.
(d) Construction of subchapter with respect to certain rights
Nothing in this subchapter shall be construed to authorize the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof—
(1) to influence the form or content of any prayer or other religious activity;
(2) to require any person to participate in prayer or other religious activity;
(3) to expend public funds beyond the incidental cost of providing the space for student-initiated meetings;
(4) to compel any school agent or employee to attend a school meeting if the content of the speech at the meeting is contrary to the beliefs of the agent or employee;
(5) to sanction meetings that are otherwise unlawful;
(6) to limit the rights of groups of students which are not of a specified numerical size; or
(7) to abridge the constitutional rights of any person.
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Notwithstanding the availability of any other remedy under the Constitution or the laws of the United States, nothing in this subchapter shall be construed to authorize the United States to deny or withhold Federal financial assistance to any school.
(f) Authority of schools with respect to order, discipline, well-being, and attendance concerns
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And, of course, four out of five doctors is not a statistically significant sample. I suspect that Bill's understanding of the first amendment is feeble at best. The no establishment clause is immediately followed by the free exercise clause, and the free exercise clause was the basis for that decision, as soon as the court determined that the no establishment clause had not been violated.

If there is a problem with Snood's example it would be if a school employee is participating while on the clock. My advice, though, would be to ignore it, because it would likely create problems for him, and the teacher participating would probably claim that the activity took place during a break or a lunch hour while she was off the clock.

In the US the constitution said what the SC say it does and so all the whining in the world is not going to change this settle law.