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Woud MacArthur - Patton Have Been a Good Team ?

 
 
Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 03:46 am
After May 8, 1945, Woud MacArthur - Patton
Have Been a Good Team in the Pacific Theater ?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 04:12 am
They would have murdered each other. Two prima donnas like that? You're kiddin', right?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 05:41 am

I heard that MacArthur didn't want him,
but I don 't know if that is true.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:09 am
I suspect the question never arose. Anyway, it was a totally different style of warfare.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:14 am
i think it would be fun to see Patton Oswalt sing MacArthur's Park

he's funny and the song is ridiculous, a good combination
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 08:55 am
@Setanta,
Patton probably wondered about it, after May 8th
until August 15th.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 08:55 am
@djjd62,
Poetry can be like that.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 10:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The islands hopping Pacific campaign hardly called for an armer genius.

Patton abilities would had been largely wasted.

kuvasz
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 11:56 am
@Setanta,
WORD. Both of them were insufferable egotists and assholes.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 12:01 pm
@kuvasz,
2 assholes do tend to produce a lot of ****.
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raprap
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 12:04 pm
@BillRM,
If the bomb hadn't been used--armor would have been used in the invasion of Japan. It was estimated that the war would have lasted until 48.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 12:46 pm
@raprap,
On the plains of the home island there might had been a short armor battle perhaps however it would hardly would had taken Patton to handle the junk tanks of the Japanese.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 05:35 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
The islands hopping Pacific campaign hardly called for an armer genius.

Patton abilities would had been largely wasted.
His formidable talents were not NECESSARILY
confined only to the Armor. He was a bright, bold and brave man, regardless.





David
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 05:52 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Patton was a cavalryman, had been throughout his career. He was assigned to the cavalry upon his graduation from the United States Military Academy. He participated in the first modern pentathalon at the 1912 Olympics (two of the five events are shooting and equestrian). He studied with a master swordsman in Germany, and then the master swordsman of the French army, and published his recommendations for a new cavalry saber in the Cavalry Journal, and formally submitted his recommendations to the Ordnance office of the United States Army. He was the youngest man ever to be appointed the Sword Master of the United States Army, and he taught cavalry and saber tehcnique at the Mounted Service School at Fort Riley, Kansas. He participated in the 1916-17 expedition as a member of the 8th Cavalry, against Pancho Villa in Mexico. During that expedition, he conducted the first amored attack in American history with three armored cars. Arriving in France in 1917, Pershing asked to organize the first army light tank school. He learned to drive all the tanks available, visited Renault (who made the French tanks), drove the Renaults through the French trench system and made recommendations for the improvement of the vehicle. After the British armored attack at Cambrai, he went to study amored tactical doctrine with the British armored commander, J F C Fuller. In 1918, he was placed in command of the first provisional light tank brigade, which was later made one of the tank brigades of armored corps. He participated in two campaigns as an amored brigade commander before being sent to recuperate from wounds. After the war, he and Eisenhower developed at Fort Riley the amored doctrine which would be used in the U. S. Army in the Second World War. He made many innovations in armored vehicles and petioned Congress continuously (and usually unsuccessfully) for funds to expand and improve the armored corps.

If any officer in the United States Army was all cavalry and all armor, it was George S. Patton. He would have been wasted in MacArthur's campaigns.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 05:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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His formidable talents were not NECESSARILY
confined only to the Armor. He was a bright, bold and brave man, regardless.


Being bright and bold hardly where in short supply in WW2 and yes he would had made a good leader anywhere but it would still had been one hell of a waste of his abilities to place him in a theater of war where Armor was used as a troop support weapon in small numbers not as a breakout and shock weapon.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:36 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Patton was a cavalryman, had been throughout his career. He was assigned to the cavalry upon his graduation from the United States Military Academy. He participated in the first modern pentathalon at the 1912 Olympics (two of the five events are shooting and equestrian). He studied with a master swordsman in Germany, and then the master swordsman of the French army, and published his recommendations for a new cavalry saber in the Cavalry Journal, and formally submitted his recommendations to the Ordnance office of the United States Army. He was the youngest man ever to be appointed the Sword Master of the United States Army, and he taught cavalry and saber tehcnique at the Mounted Service School at Fort Riley, Kansas. He participated in the 1916-17 expedition as a member of the 8th Cavalry, against Pancho Villa in Mexico. During that expedition, he conducted the first amored attack in American history with three armored cars. Arriving in France in 1917, Pershing asked to organize the first army light tank school. He learned to drive all the tanks available, visited Renault (who made the French tanks), drove the Renaults through the French trench system and made recommendations for the improvement of the vehicle. After the British armored attack at Cambrai, he went to study amored tactical doctrine with the British armored commander, J F C Fuller. In 1918, he was placed in command of the first provisional light tank brigade, which was later made one of the tank brigades of armored corps. He participated in two campaigns as an amored brigade commander before being sent to recuperate from wounds. After the war, he and Eisenhower developed at Fort Riley the amored doctrine which would be used in the U. S. Army in the Second World War. He made many innovations in armored vehicles and petioned Congress continuously (and usually unsuccessfully) for funds to expand and improve the armored corps.

If any officer in the United States Army was all cavalry and all armor, it was George S. Patton. He would have been wasted in MacArthur's campaigns.
This is all true.
Your points r well taken.
I cannot disagree, except to note
that he 'd have done his best
in any capacity, which was a lot.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:41 pm
@BillRM,
David wrote:
His formidable talents were not NECESSARILY
confined only to the Armor. He was a bright, bold and brave man, regardless.
BillRM wrote:
Being bright and bold hardly where in short supply in WW2 and yes he would had made a good leader anywhere but it would still had been one hell of a waste of his abilities to place him in a theater of war where Armor was used as a troop support weapon in small numbers not as a breakout and shock weapon.
ACKNOWLEDGED, but perhaps u will admit
that he did not have much to do in Europe
after May 7th, 1945.

The time period under discussion is only 3 months.

With the benefit of hindsight,
we know that he 'd have been better off
if he had not been in Europe on Dec. 9th, 1945.





David
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