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New Whistleblower Releases Data on Drones

 
 
Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 09:25 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/drone-papers_561ed361e4b0c5a1ce61f463

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The source said he decided to provide these documents to The Intercept because he believes the public has a right to understand the process by which people are placed on kill lists and ultimately assassinated on orders from the highest echelons of the U.S. government. “This outrageous explosion of watchlisting — of monitoring people and racking and stacking them on lists, assigning them numbers, assigning them ‘baseball cards,’ assigning them death sentences without notice, on a worldwide battlefield — it was, from the very first instance, wrong,” the source said.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 01:03 pm

We need to do more to catch and prosecute these lunatics who expose secrets because they have some sort of delusion that the US is doing something wrong.

The US has every right to make wartime strikes against military targets.
najmelliw
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 01:45 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:


We need to do more to catch and prosecute these lunatics who expose secrets because they have some sort of delusion that the US is doing something wrong.

The US has every right to make wartime strikes against military targets.


Ah. But who designates something as a wartime strike? And who designates something as a target?

And if the US has the right to make wartime strikes against military targets, of what probably are enemy nations... Do said nations have the same right against the US?

oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 01:51 pm
@najmelliw,
najmelliw wrote:
Ah. But who designates something as a wartime strike?

That happens automatically by virtue of there being a war.


najmelliw wrote:
And who designates something as a target?

The military, under the supervision of the government.


najmelliw wrote:
And if the US has the right to make wartime strikes against military targets, of what probably are enemy nations... Do said nations have the same right against the US?

Nations do. Unlawful combatants do not.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 03:41 pm
The fact that the US government runs a global assassination program with little debate and with so far as I know no good argument that this is anything but satisfying short term goals at the costs of long term best interests is just one of many proofs that we as a nation are in big trouble. Any thought that America was still morally fit to be a world leader went out the window awhile ago, though very few other nations are either. What this really is: evidence that I am right that the current world order is in a death spiral. Next up will be a global government for sure, what else the new world order will look like remains to be determined.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2015 07:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
The fact that the US government runs a global assassination program with little debate and with so far as I know no good argument that this is anything but satisfying short term goals at the costs of long term best interests is just one of many proofs that we as a nation are in big trouble.

Dead terrorists don't kill people anymore. Not being massacred is in our long term interests.


hawkeye10 wrote:
Any thought that America was still morally fit to be a world leader went out the window awhile ago, though very few other nations are either.

We are the world's foremost democracy, with strong protections for civil rights. Our moral fitness is more than adequate.


hawkeye10 wrote:
What this really is: evidence that I am right that the current world order is in a death spiral. Next up will be a global government for sure, what else the new world order will look like remains to be determined.

The US will destroy any power who attempts to take us over.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2015 05:13 am
@oralloy,
this new governmental rigmarol on the registration of drones is gonna hurt us. We periodically use the damn things for close in aerial shots (I keep a record of certain mining and drilling sites where Ive had some guys doing "Well grouting and capping"

We always try to contact all surrounding property owners to let them know that we may be crossing their "Air space" and wont publish anything as public record. If we cant contact them, we make sure weve got the right locations before we turn on the go-pros. Its a bit of a hassle, trying to be honest and professional.
Certain states already have some (or a lot) of rules in the use of drones . The real problem is "hobbyist use" and "eavesdropping".
Weve had several issues up in Northern Pa and I think there may be some surrounding new regs for professional use.
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