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Track Lighting

 
 
Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 07:36 am
I recently bought a new home, and have found a problem with the track lighting in my kitchen. The fixture is made by "easy lite" and is a low voltage 5 halogen lamp unit. (model number F5MA 05). It seems that the transformer is overheating and shutting down for several minutes, then comes backon. I understand that this is a sefety feature.

What bugs me is that I have two of the same units on the same circuit, but only the one is overheating. I returned the unit that was overheating, and replaced it with an identical one, but it is doing the same thing. The lights are on a standard switch (no dimmer). I wouldn't mind putting in a dimmer, but I would think that if I bought a light fixture it should be able to handle running at full strength.

Any thoughts?
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mac11
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 08:56 am
Welcome to a2k, rchrusciel.

We have a couple of experts on such things here - I'm sure one of them will come along and provide some help.
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 09:10 am
The transformer is shutting down because it's being overloaded.

Do you have all the same bulbs in both units? (they should each have five 20 watt 12 volt MR16 halogen bulbs.)

If you take out one bulb from the fixture that is overloading does the transformer still shut down?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 10:45 am
Are your wiring connections secure? Any even slight poor connection will effect operation. How far away is the track from the transformers and, as fisin' points out, how close are you to the load of the transformer? Typically because of inherent voltage drop even with the best connections, you should only put a load on the transformer no more than 80% of the rated watts. So if it is a 100 watt transformer, you should only load it up to 80 watts.
Also, is it a magnetic or electronic transformer? Electronics don't fare well when connected more than six feet from the end of the track or other fixture.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 10:48 am
BTW, a dimmer will unlikely do anything to alleviate the problem and it must be electronic if your transformer is electronic. These off-the-shelf lighting kits are often problematic because of the gauge of the wiring.
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 11:00 am
Lightwizard wrote:
Typically because of inherent voltage drop even with the best connections, you should only put a load on the transformer no more than 80% of the rated watts. So if it is a 100 watt transformer, you should only load it up to 80 watts.


This seems to be pretty common-sense to me too but I noticed that these are sold through Home Depot and they are listed as coming with a 105 Watt transformer and with five 20-watt bulbs for a 100 watt load. Seems to be pushing the edge but...
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 11:07 am
Home Despot -- yes, the premier perveyor of lighting fixtures (and other items) made to their quality specifications. It's could be the terrible lamps they provide which often draw more than their rated amps. The first thing to do if they are MR 11's or 16's from China or Indonesia is throw out the lamps (they're unlikely to last more than a few months anyway) and replace them with decent lamps. You are correct that this is likely overloading the transformer because of too long a connection between the transformer and the track (unless the transfomer is at the end of the track and the 120V wiring is run up to the transformer). This isn't one of the tape, wire or rod systems is it? Those will frequently thwart the user in making poor connections or putting all the fixtures towards the end of the track which will also overload the transfomer's output protection.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 11:11 am
All Halogen lamps, BTW, are not the same. I only provide USHIO which are made in Belgium to strict specifications and quality control. Not so the imports coming from Asia, except for Japan, Taiwan and Korea (even then, you can't be sure of the particular factory). USHIO also makes all the technical lamps and the projection equipment for movie theaters. 20 Watt MR 16's are not going to deliver the bright white light of the higher wattage Halogen's to begin with. A dimmer will also deteriorate the color temperature.
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rchrusciel
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 02:31 pm
The ficture is the double metal rod type, with the transformer in the middle of the rods. From what I can tell, the transformer is magnetic. I have triple and quadruple checked my connections to the transformer, but I can see where the two screws connecting the rods would cause some problems. All of the lampss in the unit are the same make as they came with the kit. As this is my first halogen setup like this, I have to ask, do they sell a 15 watt bulb, so I could bring the load down?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 03:12 pm
No, they make 10 watt but they aren't readily available and are mainly for outdoor landscape lighting. I think this sounds like a design flaw -- the first connection to check is the one to the transformer (and I am sure it is magnetic as it would be more likely with a rod system). They are really loading the system to its max and should be recalled. You could also have one of the fixtures not securely connected to the track. Any small gap or loose connection will cause a problem. The big problem is they should be shot for selling a product like this.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 03:14 pm
BTW, although a 100 watt load is only a small amount of amperage, if the products safety were to fail, this product could cause a fire.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 03:22 pm
Peronally, I'd return the product and tell them to bend over so you can place it where the sun don't shine.
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