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What would life be like if God/god/gods really existed?

 
 
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 04:42 am
@Tynesider,
If god existed, it couldn't be otherwise...
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djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 06:01 am
@Joe Nation,
didge, seems to be the popular pronunciation, not sure who came up with it, i think Izzie on the Yabber thread
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 07:10 am
@djjd62,
I like it and I like IZ.
Joe(say it like you it mean it)Nation
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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 07:20 am
@Mahmoudgh,
Mahmoudgh wrote:

You claim that God doesn't exist because there is evil in the universe and If God is there, there should be no evil.
God is there why? because we are there, because the whole universe is there. It's impossible to assume that all that universe happen by chance. It's against the common sense.


YOU are the only person saying that the universe happened by chance. I don't see any scientists/cosmologists/physicists making that claim. That line of reasoning came from creationists trying to discredit scientific inquiry. So tell me, who besides you is saying the universe happened by chance?

Then you follow that up with common sense? Laughable. How you can make claims without anything to support those claims yet sight something as being common sense. How hypocritical.

Mahmoudgh wrote:

One thing can convince any human being that there is no God which is to convince him that there is no universe and he himself is not there. Or to convince him that the universe is created by chance which happened once to create the earth and happened again to create our father Adam and then again and again to create Eve. Does it make any sense to you?


Actually the quickest way for someone with actual common sense is to ask where is the proof that there is a god? Show me how you came to that conclusion. Just because there is a universe it does not imply that there is a god. Only you make that huge leap, but why couldn't the universe have arose out of natural laws?

Mahmoudgh wrote:

But if God is there and is telling us that He is Pure, Good, Loving and Fair?
If so, then where does evil, hatred and injustice come from?


That's the thing, pretty much every theists tries to claim that god is pure, good and loving and fair. Yet not only have they neglected to provide any supportive basis for that god existing in the first place, where is the actual supporting basis that this god would be, pure, good, loving or fair when nothing in reality supports that? Those are two claims without basis.

Mahmoudgh wrote:

God tells us the life we are in here is a test. He has created everything existing and He created whatever happens as well. There is nothing in this existence except what He has created. He also says He created evil (although He is not evil). He is using this as one of the many tests for us.


Well I don't want to be a part of this test. Where was my choice to not take this test? Did I not get any option to not take this stupid test? So you mean I have no choice but to take this test? Well if I did not have the option then don't you think that is pretty evil in itself? Oh probably not because you support this idea that it is a test that you must undergo. You are convinced by that but I am not. So tell me where was my choice to not take this stupid test? Honestly there is no test, that is just something that theists use as an argument to try to get reality to match up to their theology but it fails to actually do that. Because you left out the whole ability to choose, so where is my free choice in taking this so called test?

Mahmoudgh wrote:

Consider people who do so much evil in the earth and then live to a ripe old age in the splendor and wealth of their ill-gotten gains and die without ever being taken to task for their deeds. Where is the justice or fairness in this?


Who says that it has to be? Are you saying since you can not grasp the possibility that someone could get away with their wickedness that this implies that a god must exist? That is silly. In fact your statement itself is evil in it's premise. You are basically throwing a fit and expecting the universe to be balanced and fair. That someone could get a way with a bunch of evil and have a peaceful long life, where as you are suffering, miserable and don't take advantage of people. That they should for some reason be tortured for eternity where as you get some endless bliss fair tale land as a reward. That makes you more evil than the guy who did a few bad things in his life, because you want him to suffer endlessly for a finite crime. Can't get any more evil than that.

Mahmoudgh wrote:

Believing in one God and in the day of judgment when all people will be judged, make me feel peaceful and able to answer many questions.


Answer many questions? Like what?
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Smileyrius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 07:39 am
@Mahmoudgh,
Quote:
God tells us the life we are in here is a test. He has created everything existing and He created whatever happens as well. There is nothing in this existence except what He has created. He also says He created evil (although He is not evil). He is using this as one of the many tests for us.

I am intrigued by this. Many men have answered questions, and made statements regarding "what God says" however fail to provide citation and source. Could you show me the scriptural reasoning behind your belief?
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djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 07:45 am
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 08:09 am
@djjd62,
Nice video ! Wink
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 08:16 am
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 08:36 am

JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 08:57 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
The title of that video should be - "Waste of Time Recorded, Version 80 Trillion"
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:09 am
@JPLosman0711,
I bet kiddo, that you did n´t took the time to see it, otherwise you would shut up...you far talk to much and observe to little...
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dmcdivitt
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:15 am
@Joe Nation,
You might better ask how life would be different if there was any "authority" in the universe, since the idea of god is a euphemism for authority.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:20 am
JPLosman0711 : I started this thread because I like to have fun with ideas. I have also found in my experience that people who are joyful in their spiritual life have less of a tendency to kill other people who happen to use the wrong beads or book.

(That's another failing of the present administration, wouldn't you say? We certainly have enough to contend with fighting off the effects of bacteria and viruses, subjecting us to the deep level of ignorance found here seems to me to be excessive.)

Later today I'll be interviewing a god who resume reveals some interesting aspects, one of which is making of over 700 billion other universes.
Joe(strong work ethic,now to see if there is the personal touch.)Nation
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:24 am
@dmcdivitt,
Cause and Effect are the only source of Authority that I know, not the freedom of choosing the goal...The goal is what can be extrapolated from it...thus we speak about Necessity from an "Empirical" point of view...with the collapse of the wave function, the World unfolds as it must. From there and only from there can we have any intuition upon the deep meaning of LAW itself ! (Natural Law)
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:31 am
@dmcdivitt,
I'm thinking about going with Administrator. Of course, if there's going to be a whole bunch of Authorities, we should have a CEO with the various sub-level managers.

Joe(maybe not)Nation
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:33 am
@Joe Nation,
No, you started this thread because you want 'confirmation' of your doubt in the 'God' you have either worshipped or been taught to do so.

Stop looking outside your 'self' for approval.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:36 am
@Joe Nation,
...the point being precisely the opposite...there is n´t a bunch of authority´s !
"Crystal clear" Authority has to have a Universal common source...no other then the World as it is.
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:37 am
@JPLosman0711,
thank god (gods) we have you around to be our moral compass Rolling Eyes
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:48 am
@JPLosman0711,
Very good advice if I was looking for approval from you or anyone else.
Have a good breakfast and breathe a little.
Joe(so pleased to meet'cha)Nation
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:51 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Why can't we have a committee?

Joe(Your authorituy can lead the meetings. :-) )Nation
 

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