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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:14 pm
@reasoning logic,
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You just seen a crowd in egypt move cautiously!
Yes, we did didnt we.... Smile and grand it was.

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Would this be consider as evolution within ethics?
There have been similar revolutions. I suppose that is a good description.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:14 pm
@reasoning logic,
Hi, RL. Just wish so many weren't so quick to jump into the arms of Mubarak's murderous muscle. Let's wait and see.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:16 pm
@Ionus,
Lets hope that things will progress quickly now that we have much more technology and world wide social contact than what we use to!
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:20 pm
@Ionus,
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History proceeds according to what those with power like.


When Napoleon was asked what would happen when he was gone he said that Europe would heave a sigh of relief.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:34 pm
From the NYT Blog

On her monasosh Twitter feed, Ms. Seif wrote about two hours ago:

I'm in Tahrir Square.This is where it all started on Jan. 25 when we declared our demands people thought we were mad. Look where madness got us.

She added: "Tomorrow 10 a.m., we all go and help in cleaning Tahrir Square. Bring garbage bags, gloves and join us."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:38 pm
@JPB,
Once in a great while, we can experience this kind of elation for the people of the world.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:48 pm
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/02/11/world/middleeast/11lede_tutu/11lede_tutu-blog480.jpg
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:50 pm
7:34 P.M. |Civil Rights Heroes in U.S. and South Africa [see Desmond Tutu tweet above] Rejoice

John Lewis, a hero of the American civil rights movement, who now serves in Congress as Georgia Democrat, released this statement praising the protesters who toppled of Hosni Mubarak's regime:

What we have witnessed in Egypt today is nothing short of a non-violent revolution. The peacefulness of this transition on the streets of Cairo is a testament to the people of Egypt--to the discipline of the protesters and the military--who resisted any temptation to descend into brutality. They demonstrated so eloquently the power of peace to persistently broadcast their message of change.

As a nation and as a people, especially this nation which found its own beginnings in a revolutionary movement, we must always try to find ourselves on the just side of budding movements of non-violent change. We must always give credence to any effort that leads to a more truly democratic world society that values the dignity and the worth of every human being. We must always nurture and empower movements which respect freedom of the press, freedom of worship, freedom of assembly, and the inalienable right to dissent.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 07:26 pm
@JPB,
John lewis does seem to have a good point! What do you thank about what John Adams had to say?

Quote: Liberty can not be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right... an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envided kind of knowledge, I mean characters and conduct of their rulers."
- John Smith

Would this include the wikileaks or should we hide this from the people?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 07:32 pm
Robert Fisk's assessment of the latest developments:

A homage to the courage of the brave people of Egypt, but also some very sobering thoughts & concerns about the future ...

It is still early days before the achievement of the Egyptians' cherished hopes and dreams, there is still has quite a way to go.

As Fisk concludes: "The army has decided to protect the people. But who will curb the power of the army?"

Some extracts from his lengthy article below.

If you have the chance, read it in full. His on-the-spot assessments are always well informed & worthy of consideration.:


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A tyrant's exit. A nation's joy
Saturday, 12 February 2011

Robert Fisk: They sang. They laughed. They cried. Mubarak was no more

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00554/1-Front_554729s.jpg

Everyone suddenly burst out singing.

And laughing, and crying, and shouting and praying, kneeling on the road and kissing the filthy tarmac right in front of me, and dancing and praising God for ridding them of Hosni Mubarak – a generous moment, for it was their courage rather than divine intervention which rid Egypt of its dictator – and weeping tears which splashed down their clothes. It was as if every man and woman had just got married, as if joy could smother the decades of dictatorship and pain and repression and humiliation and blood. Forever, it will be known as the Egyptian Revolution of 25 January – the day the rising began – and it will be forever the story of a risen people. Talk of a historic day somehow took the edge off what last night's victory really means for Egyptians. Through sheer willpower, through courage in the face of Mubarak's hateful state security police, through the realisation - yes - that sometimes you have to struggle to overthrow a dictator with more than words and facebooks, through the very act of fighting with fists and stones against cops with stun guns and tear gas and live bullets, they achieved the impossible: the end - they must plead with their God that it is permanent -- of almost 60 years of autocracy and repression, 30 of them Mubarak's. Arabs, maligned, cursed, racially abused in the West, treated as backward and uneducated by many of the Israelis who wanted to maintain Mubarak's often savage rule, had stood up, abandoned their fear, and tossed away the man whom the West loved as a 'moderate' leader who would do their bidding at the price of $1.5 billion a year. It's not only east Europeans who can stand up to brutality.........


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.....So the Egyptian Revolution lay in the hands of the country's army last night as a series of confused and contradictory statements from the military indicated that Egypt's field marshals, generals and brigadiers were competing for power in the ruins of Mubarak's regime. Israel, according to several prominent Cairo military families, was trying to persuade Washington to promote their favourite Egyptian - former intelligence 'capo' and vice president Omar Suleiman - to the presidency, while Field Marshal Tantawi, the defence minister, wanted his chief of staff, General Sami Anan, to run the country. ....


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...Analysts talk about a 'network' of generals within the regime, although it is more like a cobweb, a series of competing senior officers whose own personal wealth and jealously guarded privileges were earned by serving the regime whose 83-year old leader now appears as demented as he does senile. The health of the president and the activities of the millions of pro-democracy protesters across Egypt are thus now less important than the vicious infighting within the army.


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But Arab verse does not win revolutions, and every Egyptian knew yesterday that the initiative lay no more with the demonstrators than with the remote, slightly demented figure of the 83-year-old ex-dictator. For the future body politic of Egypt lies with up to a hundred officers, their old fidelity to Mubarak -- sorely tested by the old man's appalling speech on Thursday night, let alone the revolution on the streets -- has now been totally abandoned. A military communiqué yesterday morning -- read, rather oddly, by a civilian state television anchorman -- called for "free and fair elections", adding that Egyptian armed forces were "committed to the demands of the people" who should "resume a normal way of life." Translated into civilian-speak, this means that the revolutionaries should pack up while a coterie of generals divide up the ministries of a new government. In some countries, this is called a 'coup d'etat'. ...


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As for Omar Sulieman, his own post-Mubarak speech on Thursday night was almost as childish as the president's. He told the demonstrators to go home - treating them, in the words of one protester, like sheep - and duly blamed "television stations and radios" for violence on the streets, an idea as preposterous as Mubarak's claim - for the umpteenth time -- that "foreign hands" were behind the revolution. His ambitions for the presidency may have also ended, another old man who thought he could close down the revolution with false promises.

Perhaps the shadow of the army is too dark an image to invoke in the aftermath of so monumental a revolution in Egypt. Siegfried Sassoon's joy on the day of the 1918 Armistice, the end of the First World War - when everyone also suddenly burst out singing - was genuine and deserved. Yet that peace led to further immense suffering. And the Egyptians who have fought for their future in the streets of their nation over the past three weeks will have to preserve their revolution from internal as well as external enemies if they are to achieve a real democracy. The army has decided to protect the people. But who will curb the power of the army?



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/a-tyrants-exit-a-nations-joy-2212487.html
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 07:57 pm
@JPB,
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Here you go, JTT, a direct feed straight from the White House. It's just like being there

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live


That's better. I don't want anything to do with those radicals at Al Jazeera. I'm gonna stick close to the US government sites so that I can get the latest most accurate data stream possible.

What about Fox? Is Bill O'Reilly or Sean Banality there in Tahrir Square doing live updates?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:02 pm
@ehBeth,
Them Canajians, god damn [is there a catch all word for this situation, you know, like 'commie'] lovers!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:03 pm
@JTT,
Yes do not listen to Al Jazeera, You need to listen to fox "the news that I have prepared for you!
Do not listen to any news that comes from any other country around the world because they lie and the news that I allow in your country is the only true news in the world!


Do not watch videos like this because they lie! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fab1IsCZzY
Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:13 pm
@JTT,
Fox routinely calls us Socialists.... mwha ha ha ha...
We're scary like that.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:17 pm
@Ceili,
Yeah that certainly works, Ceili, but I was looking for a pejorative for folks who offer support for Middle Easteners. Isn't there any "{____} lover" pejorative out there yet?
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George
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:21 pm
Here's what I don't get.

Why isn't the Egyptian military getting their props?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
Wasn't it hell when it took months to get news from the Middle East and elsewhere? How long ago was that, BTW?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:38 pm
@George,
George:
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Here's what I don't get.

Why isn't the Egyptian military getting their props?

As much as everyone loves a man in uniform, there is something about having him on your neighborhood street corner (or subway station) which makes you wonder (and hope) if/that he's on your side.
Memories in Egypt are long. They have seen military councils before, the Generals now in charge were all appointed by the departing tyrant and, though they have published decrees saying elections will be held, those words are on paper, and paper burns, tears, dries out and crumbles sometimes long before what's written comes to fruition.
Joe(fingers crossed almost in prayer)Nation
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:41 pm
@George,
George wrote:

Why isn't the Egyptian military getting their props?


they are in my circle of Egyptian dancers and musicians - they've been posting positive stuff about the Egyptian military for weeks (still are)
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:44 pm
@George,
I feel dumb, but what does "getting their props" mean - excuse idiom-challenged antipodeaness.
 

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