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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 07:44 am
Live blog Feb 11 - Egypt protests

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/02/10/live-blog-feb-11-egypt-protests

As millions join demonstrators in Cairo - two rumours going around

From Aljazeera:
Mubarak reported to have left Cairo with his family, the AFP news agency reports, citing a source close to the government. But it said his destination was not immediately clear.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/jomaaa.jpg


And i read this just now on Raw:

Saudi ministry profusely denies report of King Abdullah’s death

Saudi Arabian officials were on a PR offensive Thursday following a report that claimed King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, 86, had suffered a heart attack after speaking to US President Barack Obama about the protests in Egypt.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/saudi-ministry-profusely-denies-rumor-king-abdullahs-death/

If the old tyrant King of Saudi is dead - it's certainly a domino effect!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:07 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
You will need the help of plainoldfool, cyclotroll, JT, Cimposter and the rest of A2Ks misguided misfits.

Best of luck.

Thanks. I have to get some breakfast first, but I'll get right on it after that.


It is the most important meal of the day.

The Muslim Brotherhood is bad news for the middle east and the
US, but it sounds like the Obama administration supports them 100%.
revelette
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:09 am
I am wondering why anyone would listen to rumors after yesterday. Also, what happened with the military in Egypt after giving that false hope statement about the protesters getting all their demands met and then Mubarak essentially saying, everything remains the same.

Was curious to see what kind of site "sky news" was so I googled it up. Had a pretty good article with a line from Elbaradei saying,

Quote:
Egypt's pro-reform campaigner Mohamed ElBaradei called on the army to intervene in the country's political crisis, predicting "Egypt will explode" in wake of Mr Mubarak's defiance.

"The Army must save the country now," said a Tweet from the Nobel Peace laureate and leading democracy advocate's Twitter account.

"I call on the Egyptian army to immediately interfere to rescue Egypt. The credibility of the army is on the line."




source
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electronicmail
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:09 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


The Muslim Brotherhood is bad news for the middle east and the
US, but it sounds like the Obama administration supports them 100%.

It's their country, right?

I got a new thread see if you can contribute
http://able2know.org/topic/167779-1
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:31 am
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/2/11/201121111531838360_20.jpg

Pro-democracy protesters in Tahrir Square have vowed to take the protests to a 'last and final stage' [AFP]

Quote:
In Tahrir Square, meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of protesters gathered, chanting slogans against Mubarak and calling for the military to join them in their demands.

Our correspondent at the square said the "masses" of pro-democracy campaigners there appeared to have "clear resolution" and "bigger resolve" to achieve their goals than ever before.

He also said, however, that protesters were "confused by mixed messages" coming from the army, which has at times told them that their demands will be met, yet in communiques and other statements supported Mubarak's staying in power until at least September.


Army statement

In a statement read out on state television at midday, the military announced that it would lift a 30-year-old emergency law but only "as soon as the current circumstances end".

The military said it would also guarantee changes to the constitution as well as a free and fair election, and it called for normal business activity to resume.

Many protesters, hoping for Mubarak's resignation, had anticipated a much stronger statement.

Al Jazeera's correspondent in Tahrir Square said people there were hugely disappointed and vowed to take the protests to "a last and final stage".

"They're frustrated, they're angry, and they say protests need to go beyond Liberation [Tahrir] Square, to the doorstep of political institutions," she said.

Protest organisers have called for 20 million people to come out on "Farewell Friday" in a final attempt to force Mubarak to step down.

'Anything can happen'


(rest of it at the source)

I am wondering when the military is going to start forcing the protesters a return to "normal life."
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:47 am
Sorry for the mulitple posting but you get different things from different news sites.

Apparently there is a possiblity of a split in the Egyptian military along idealogical lines.

Quote:
The army's role is seen as critical in shaping how the crisis will now develop in the coming days. Speaking before Communique No 2 was issued, Rosemary Hollis of City University, London, said there was "a distinct possibility" the armed forces would now split.

Hollis said there were a couple of ways this split could go. One would be a division between older, senior officers, and younger ones from the middle ranks.

"The most senior ranks are the same age as Mubarak and Suleiman," she said. "The younger men are their [the demonstrators'] generation. They will identify less with Mubarak and more with the future of the country they want to be part of."

Hollis said the other way the armed forces could split would be ideologically, between those who wanted to concentrate on "law and order" and a "managed transition under Mubarak and co" and felt this would be "preferable to the dangers of a transition to democracy", and on the other side those "embracing change with all its uncertainty".

She had been told that this ideological split could run along the lines of the air force – Mubarak's former service – and republican guard on one side, and "everyone else", including the regular army, on the side of change.

Hollis said: "Militaries aren't good at transitions to democracy. They're more comfortable with continuity." But, on the other hand, "the army has not been clearly on the side of Mubarak" during this crisis.

Whatever happens, she said, "the army will have the final say".

An Egyptian army officer who joined protests in Cairo's Tahrir Square told the Reuters news agency that 15 other middle-ranking officers had also gone over to the demonstrators.

"The armed forces' solidarity movement with the people has begun," Major Ahmed Ali Shouman said. "Some 15 officers … have joined the people's revolution," he said, listing their ranks ranging from captain to lieutenant colonel. Our goals and the people's are one."

Another army major walked up to Shouman while he was talking with the Reuters reporter in Tahrir and introduced himself, saying: "I have also joined the cause."


source
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:51 am
Breaking News Alert: Egyptian President Mubarak leaves Cairo, state television reports
February 11, 2011 9:38:15 AM
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Egyptian state television has reported that President Hosni Mubarak and his wife, Suzanne, have left the capital of Cairo. Their destination was unknown.

http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/46MP2V/A7WOPI/77T53A/WXMUJQ/NC0Y9/ID/h
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:57 am
From Al Jazeera live blog:

4:53pm GMT+2:
Military helicopters arrive at Cairo's Presidential Palace ahead of expected statement - more details soon.

4:39pm GMT+2:
The Egyptian presidency is to make an "urgent and important" statement shortly, state television says. Al Jazeera showing live pictures from Alexandria:
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yep. Hoping they're all in a basement somewhere, plotting a revolution.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:59 am
From Guardian blog:

2.20pm GMT:
A local government official has confirmed that Mubarak is in the red sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, the Associated Press reports

The New York Times is portraying this as a significant moment in the protests. It says diplomats are trying to confirm that Mubarak's speech last night "signalled his irrevocable handover of presidential authority":

As protesters were swarming into the streets Friday morning for what was expected to be the biggest and most volatile demonstrations in the three-week revolt here, the supreme council of the Egyptian armed forces issued a statement over state television and radio indicating that the military, not Mr Mubarak, was in effective control of the country. It was unclear whether the military would take meaningful steps toward democracy or begin a military dictatorship.

Western diplomats said that officials of the Egyptian government were scrambling to assure that a muddled speech Mr Mubarak made on Thursday night that enraged protesters had in fact signalled his irrevocable handover of presidential authority.

"The government of Egypt says absolutely, it is done, it is over," a Western diplomat said. "But that is not what anybody heard" in Mr Mubarak's speech.

The army announcement and diplomatic scrambling appeared intended to forestall the potential for violent confrontations as hundreds of thousands of protesters, angered by Mr Mubarak's refusal to step down on Thursday, flooded the streets demanding his full resignation — if not also his public trial for violence against them.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:07 am
@JPB,
I think I saw it reported that for a few days, AJ was the only source on the ground. Additionally, a lot of us have been using them as one of many sources to try to formulate a more factual narrative - especially for ME news.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:08 am
@JPB,
going on vacation is either a statement of supreme confidence or the first step in his exit

could be an interesting weekend
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:16 am
@djjd62,
I was just listening to an interview where the guest stated that his "taking a vacation" will be seen as yet one more insult to the people. It's a cultural expectation in the region that you face those who disagree with you and that leaving them will be seen on par with a slap across the face.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:18 am
@JPB,
I always opt for a vacation in the midst of manic crisis...
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:19 am
4:58pm GMT+2: Protesters in the north Sinai town of El-Arish exchanged gunfire with police and hurled Molotov cocktails at a police station, witnesses said. About 1,000 protesters broke off from a larger group and headed towards a police station, lobbing firebombs and burning police cars, witnesses said.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:30 am
From NYT Blog:

10:15 EST:
Ivan Watson of CNN reported minutes ago that soldiers at the palace had turned the guns of their tanks away from the protesters, to cheers.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:31 am
someone should Jason Bourne this situation, a sea side resort would be the perfect spot to put a bullet between HM's eyes
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:34 am
Complete text of Communique #2 from the military (#3 anticipated soon)

Here, from The Associated Press, is the complete text of a new statement issued on Friday by Egypt's Armed Forces Supreme Council, the second by the military in as many days:

In view of the ongoing events that will determine the future of the country, and in line with the continuous monitoring of the internal and external developments and the president's decision to delegate his power to the vice president, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces decides to guarantee the implementation of the following steps:

First:
• Ending the state of emergency once the present circumstances end.
• The outcome of the (court) appeals against the parliamentary election and the measures that will follow.
•Implementation of the constitutional amendments and holding a free and fair presidential election in line with the agreed constitutional amendments.

Second:
• The armed forces are committed to shepherding the legitimate demands of the people and strives with firmness and accuracy to ensure their implementation within a definitive timetable until the realization of a peaceful transition that produces the democratic society to which people aspire.

Third:
• The armed forces stress that there will be no detention of the honorable sons of the nation who rejected corruption and demanded reform.
• It [Egypt's military] stresses the importance of resuming work at government's services, the return of normal life in order to preserve the interests and the achievements of our great people.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:36 am
I can't understand all these attacks on Mr Mubarak. He's our man. Has been for a long time. We have been paying him. $1.5 billion I read. Every year. They are our tanks, our guns, our ammo, our torture equipment and our training in how to use them. Thousands of jobs. Cream pie slicings. I wouldn't be surprised if the military was on our food.

It was reliably reported that Idi Amin had two jumbo jets full of whisky and sugar delivered from Heathrow twice a week. For the military I would guess. He began his military career with the Kings African Rifles in the British Colonial Army as an assistant cook.

The general tone suggests that it was a mistake to keep Mr Mubarak in business but that seems to me an unreasonable assumption bearing in mind the amount of American brain power applied to the matter which is at a cost over and above the £1.5 billion a year Mr Mubarak has been given. And I can't see all that brainpower having been making a gigantic mistake all these very trying years of middle-east political arrangements.

There was somebody on Newsnight one night who opined that we might be seeing WWIII starting here. An expert it was said. Somebody who truly took a real interest in that part of the world. He had a scenario.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 09:40 am
10:32am EST: Lyse Doucet, a BBC correspondent in Cairo, reports on Twitter that Dr. Hossam Badrawy, the secretary-general of Egypt's ruling National Democratic Party told BBC Arabic that he is resigning because of his unhappiness with President Hosni Mubarak's speech on Thursday night.

Before Mr. Mubarak's speech on Thursday, Dr. Badrawy told several international broadcasters that he expected the president to announce that he was stepping down. Dr. Badrawy, considered a reformer inside the Mubarak regime who is close to the president's son Gamal, said on Thursday that he had been trying for days to convince Mr. Mubarak to step down.
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