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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 12:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I can guess.

I won't be friendly to the USA.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 01:02 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
I double dog dare you to come up with a coherent, fact-based opinion on the current situation in Egypt that doesn't cater to your crazed anti-American handicap.


I never expected a Gob/Finn response from one who has appeared to be a thinker, Lash. You disappoint me. Why haven't you, why hasn't anyone, ever addressed my "crazed anti-American handicap"?

You can't because it actually isn't mine. The vast majority of the material I've presented comes from US sources, much of that comes from US government sources.


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The Protest Movement in Egypt: "Dictators" do not Dictate, They Obey Orders

by Michel Chossudovsky

The Mubarak regime could collapse in the a face of a nationwide protest movement... What prospects for Egypt and the Arab World?

"Dictators" do not dictate, they obey orders. This is true in Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria.

Dictators are invariably political puppets. Dictators do not decide.

President Hosni Mubarak was a faithful servant of Western economic interests and so was Ben Ali.

The national government is the object of the protest movement.

The objective is to unseat the puppet rather than the puppet-master.

The slogans in Egypt are "Down with Mubarak, Down with the Regime". No anti-American posters have been reported... The overriding and destructive influence of the USA in Egypt and throughout the Middle East remains unheralded.

The foreign powers which operate behind the scenes are shielded from the protest movement.

No significant political change will occur unless the issue of foreign interference is meaningfully addressed by the protest movement.

The US embassy in Cairo is an important political entity, invariably overshadowing the national government. The Embassy is not a target of the protest movement.

In Egypt, a devastating IMF program was imposed in 1991 at the height of the Gulf War. It was negotiated in exchange for the annulment of Egypt's multibillion dollar military debt to the US as well as its participation in the war. The resulting deregulation of food prices, sweeping privatisation and massive austerity measures led to the impoverishment of the Egyptian population and the destabilization of its economy. The Mubarak government was praised as a model "IMF pupil".

The role of Ben Ali's government in Tunisia was to enforce the IMF's deadly economic medicine, which over a period of more than twenty years served to destabilize the national economy and impoverish the Tunisian population. Over the last 23 years, economic and social policy in Tunisia has been dictated by the Washington Consensus.

Both Hosni Mubarak and Ben Ali stayed in power because their governments obeyed and effectively enforced the diktats of the IMF.

From Pinochet and Videla to Baby Doc, Ben Ali and Mubarak, dictators have been installed by Washington. Historically in Latin America, dictators were instated through a series of US sponsored military coups. In todays World, they are installed through "free and fair elections" under the surveillance of the "international community".

Our message to the protest movement:

Actual decisions are taken in Washington DC, at the US State Department, at the Pentagon, at Langley, headquarters of the CIA. at H Street NW, the headquarters of the World Bank and the IMF.

The relationship of "the dictator" to foreign interests must be addressed. Unseat the political puppets but do not forget to target the "real dictators".

The protest movement should focus on the real seat of political authority; it should target (in a peaceful, orderly and nonviolent fashion) the US embassy, the delegation of the European Union, the national missions of the IMF and the World Bank.

Meaningful political change can only be ensured if the neoliberal economic policy agenda is thrown out.

Regime Replacement

If the protest movement fails to address the role of foreign powers including pressures exerted by "investors", external creditors and international financial institutions, the objective of national sovereignty will not be achieved. In which case, what will occur is a narrow process of "regime replacement", which ensures political continuity.

"Dictators" are seated and unseated. When they are politically discredited and no longer serve the interests of their US sponsors, they are replaced by a new leader, often recruited from within the ranks of the political opposition.

In Tunisia, the Obama administration has already positioned itself. It intends to play a key role in the "democratization program" (i.e. the holding of so-called fair elections). It also intends to use the political crisis as a means to weaken the role of France and consolidate its position in North Africa:

"The United States, which was quick to size up the groundswell of protest on the streets of Tunisia, is trying to press its advantage to push for democratic reforms in the country and further afield.

The top-ranking US envoy for the Middle East, Jeffrey Feltman, was the first foreign official to arrive in the country after president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali was ousted on January 14 and swiftly called for reforms. He said on Tuesday only free and fair elections would strengthen and give credibility to the north African state's embattled leadership.

"I certainly expect that we'll be using the Tunisian example" in talks with other Arab governments, Assistant Secretary of State Feltman added.

He was dispatched to the north African country to offer US help in the turbulent transition of power, and met with Tunisian ministers and civil society figures.

Feltman travels to Paris on Wednesday to discuss the crisis with French leaders, boosting the impression that the US is leading international support for a new Tunisia, to the detriment of its former colonial power, France. ...

Western nations had long supported Tunisia's ousted leadership, seeing it as a bulwark against Islamic militants in the north Africa region.

In 2006, the then US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, speaking in Tunis, praised the country's evolution.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton nimbly stepped in with a speech in Doha on January 13 warning Arab leaders to allow their citizens greater freedoms or risk extremists exploiting the situation.

"There is no doubt that the United States is trying to position itself very quickly on the good side,..." " AFP: US helping shape outcome of Tunisian uprising emphasis added

Will Washington be successful in instating a new puppet regime?

This very much depends on the ability of the protest movement to address the insidious role of the US in the country's internal affairs.

The overriding powers of empire are not mentioned. In a bitter irony, president Obama has expressed his support for the protest movement.

Many people within the protest movement are led to believe that president Obama is committed to democracy and human rights, and is supportive of the opposition's resolve to unseat a dictator, which was installed by the US in the first place.

Cooptation of Opposition Leaders

The cooptation of the leaders of major opposition parties and civil society organizations in anticipation of the collapse of an authoritarian puppet government is part of Washington's design, applied in different regions of the World.

The process of cooptation is implemented and financed by US based foundations including the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and Freedom House (FH). Both FH and the NED have links to the US Congress. the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the US business establishment. Both the NED and FH are known to have ties to the CIA.

The NED is actively involved in Tunisia, Egypt and Algeria. Freedom House supports several civil society organizations in Egypt.

"The NED was established by the Reagan administration after the CIA’s role in covertly funding efforts to overthrow foreign governments was brought to light, leading to the discrediting of the parties, movements, journals, books, newspapers and individuals that received CIA funding. ... As a bipartisan endowment, with participation from the two major parties, as well as the AFL-CIO and US Chamber of Commerce, the NED took over the financing of foreign overthrow movements, but overtly and under the rubric of “democracy promotion.” (Stephen Gowans, January « 2011 "What's left"

While the US has supported the Mubarak government for the last thirty years, US foundations with ties to the US State department and the Pentagon have actively supported the political opposition including the civil society movement. According to Freedom House: "Egyptian civil society is both vibrant and constrained. There are hundreds of non-governmental organizations devoted to expanding civil and political rights in the country, operating in a highly regulated environment." (Freedom House Press Releases).

In a bitter irony, Washington supports the Mubarak dictatorship, including its atrocities, while also backing and financing its detractors, through the activities of FH, the NED, among others.

Under the auspices of Freedom House, Egyptian dissidents and opponents of Hosni Mubarak were received in May 2008 by Condoleezza Rice at the State Department and the US Congress. They also met White House National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, who was "the principal White House foreign policy adviser" during George W. Bush's second term.

Freedom House’s effort to empower a new generation of advocates has yielded tangible results and the New Generation program in Egypt has gained prominence both locally and internationally. Egyptian visiting fellows from all civil society groups received [May 2008] unprecedented attention and recognition, including meetings in Washington with US Secretary of State, the National Security Advisor, and prominent members of Congress. In the words of Condoleezza Rice, the fellows represent the "hope for the future of Egypt."

Freedom House, http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=66&program=84 (emphasis added).

Political Double Talk: Chatting with "Dictators", Mingling with "Dissidents"

The Egyptian pro-democracy delegation to the State Department was described by Condoleezza Rice as "The Hope for the Future of Egypt".

In May 2009, Hillary Clinton met a delegation of Egyptian dissidents, several of which had met Condoleezza Rice a year earlier. These high level meetings were held a week prior to Obama's visit to Egypt:


U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton praised the work of a group of Egyptian civil society activists she met with today and said it was in Egypt’s interest to move toward democracy and to exhibit more respect for human rights.

The 16 activists met with Clinton and Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey Feltman in Washington at the end of a two-month fellowship organized by Freedom House’s New Generation program.

The fellows raised concern about what they perceived as the United States government distancing itself from Egyptian civil society and called on President Obama to meet with young independent civil society activists when he visits Cairo next week. They also urged the Obama administration to continue to provide political and financial support to Egyptian civil society and to help open the space for nongovernmental organizations which is tightly restricted under Egypt’s longstanding emergency law.

The fellows told Clinton that momentum was already building in Egypt for increased civil and human rights and that U.S. support at this time was urgently needed. They stressed that civil society represents a moderate and peaceful “third way” in Egypt, an alternative to authoritarian elements in the government and those that espouse theocratic rule. (Freedom House, May 2009)

During their fellowship, the activists spent a week in Washington receiving training in advocacy and getting an inside look at the way U.S. democracy works. After their training, the fellows were matched with civil society organizations throughout the country where they shared experiences with U.S. counterparts. The activists will wrap up their program ... by visiting U.S. government officials, members of Congress, media outlets and think tanks." (Freedom House, May 2009, emphasis added)

These opposition civil society groups --which are currently playing an important role in the protest movement-- are supported and funded by the US. They indelibly serve US interests.

The invitation of Egyptian dissidents to the State Department and the US Congress also purports to instil a feeling of commitment and allegiance to American democratic values. America is presented as a model of Freedom and Justice. Obama is upheld as a "Role Model".

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22993

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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 01:06 pm
Quote:

SATURDAY, JAN 29, 2011 11:01 ET
How did the U.S. get in bed with Mubarak?
A historian explains how the U.S. became closely tied to the Mideast dictatorship

Much of the media coverage of the protests in Egypt has noted that President Obama is in a tough position because the regime of Hosni Mubarak is an important ally of the United States.

So it's natural to ask: How and why did the United States become allies with Egypt in the first place? And how has the alliance, which includes an annual military aid package worth $1.3 billion, been sustained over the years?

To get some answers, I spoke with Joel Beinin, a Middle East history professor at Stanford who studies Egypt and who spent several years at the American University in Cairo in the 2000s.

What follows is a transcript of our conversation, edited slightly for length and clarity:

How far back can the roots of the current alliance be traced?

It goes back to the aftermath of the 1973 Arab-Israeli war when, following the near-victory of Syria and Egypt, Henry Kissinger engaged in many rounds of shuttle diplomacy, which resulted in a separation of forces agreement between Israel and Egypt. Those were the first steps which led ultimately to the Israel-Egyptian peace treaty, which was signed in 1979. That was not at first what the Carter administration wanted to have happen. They wanted at first for something to be included on the Palestinian issue, but it wasn't, so they just said, "OK, this is what we can get."

In that time of the early 1970s, what were the U.S. interests in the situation?

Well, at that point, Egypt was an ally of the Soviet Union. So the U.S. had no interests in Egypt, only aspirations to have interests. Carter ultimately did support Anwar Sadat's visit to Jerusalem, had the Camp David meeting with Sadat and Begin, then the peace treaty. The peace treaty was sealed essentially with a promise that Egypt would receive $2.3 billion a year in aid, divided between economic and military, and Israel would receive $3 billion. That ratio was kept stable for many years, although now the economic aid to both countries has diminished the total number somewhat.

At that point did the orientation of Egypt switch from the Soviet Union to the U.S.?

Yes. Egypt basically switched sides in the Cold War in the course of all of this. Sadat was wanting to do that almost immediately after he came to power in 1970. Kissinger didn't believe it, for reasons that are not clear -- a combination of ignorance and ego and preoccupation with Watergate and Vietnam.

At a certain point, you can say post-1973, between the shuttle diplomacy and the treaty with Israel, Egypt switched sides in the Cold War. Despite Sadat having been assassinated in 1981, Mubarak was his vice president -- he had been chief of staff of the air force in the 1973 war -- so the regime remained in the same mold as it had been under Sadat. Mubarak has been a steadfast ally of the United States for the entire 30 years in which he's been in power.

His being a steadfast ally -- what has that done for the U.S. beyond the Israeli question?

Egypt was the first among the Arab states to join the United States in attacking Iraq in 1991. For that they received forgiveness of about 50 percent of their foreign debt. That deal was of course never formulated that way, but if you look at the timing, you can see what happened. Then Egypt has opposed the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, but nonetheless it did not break relations. It remained tight with the Bush administration. Despite the considered opinion of President Mubarak that this was not a good idea, which turns out to be correct, he stayed with the United States. And most recently, Mubarak, along with King Abdullah II of Jordan and King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, has been gung-ho for attacking Iran. We know that from the WikiLeaks documents most recently, but that's also been quite public in recent years, that these guys are terrified of Iranian and Shia influence.

So what about the treaty with Israel; is that really the key to the whole U.S.-Egypt relationship?

I would say it's not more important than the other things. The three leaders -- the two King Abdullahs and Mubarak -- they are America's most important allies in the eastern Arab world. That's very important because that's the defense of oil, it's the defense against the vast popular anger in the Arab and Muslim world against the United States -- for its positions vis-à-vis Palestine-Israel, for invading Iraq, having imposed sanctions on Iraq for the decade before, which led to the unnecessary deaths of untold Iraqi children. These guys are with America no matter what, though against their people and against Iran, Hezbollah and all the other regional forces that are less than thrilled with the role the United States plays in the region.

On the human rights front within Egypt, has there ever been any real pressure from the United States on that?

It depends on what you think "real" is. Condoleezza Rice gave a speech in June 2005 at the American University in Cairo. It was a very strong pro-democracy, pro-reform speech, not unlike the speech President Obama gave in Cairo shortly after he was inaugurated, but maybe even more forceful. It was utterly misguided because the notion was, OK, we've toppled Saddam Hussein in Iraq and we're going to build democracy and that's going to be the model in the Arab world. Obviously that did not happen, and when it didn't, the Bush administration -- like the Obama administration -- had no choice. These dictatorial, autocratic corrupt guys are our allies. We would really like it if they were democratic, if they were more respectful of human rights, if they would do any number of things. But we are not going to press so far as to endanger their regimes, because we need them.

So despite the speech by Rice, there was no underlying policy change?

The policy change was, in the Bush administration, the United States spoke frequently and publicly about different democratic and human rights issues in Egypt. The Obama administration wanted the same things as the Bush administration but they backed off of any public confrontation. It's a question of tone and specificity and so on. You could see this in the State of the Union, where Obama said, "We support the democratic right of the people of Tunisia to choose their own government." And he said no such thing about Egypt.

What's your take on the present situation?

The United States is going to be allies with whoever is in charge in Egypt. And it's probably going to support Mubarak, until the moment comes -- if it does -- that it's clear that it's over. A day or two before he gets on the plane to leave, if that ever happens, the United States is going to come out and support whatever the alternative is.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/01/29/egypt_america_alliance
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 01:06 pm
I think I may wait to hear what Gov. Palin says before I form my opinion.

I am sure she has a plan to deal with all of this.

Think about this for a moment:


She became president after McCain's third heart attack and is now in a leadership position during this mess.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 01:11 pm
@IRFRANK,
Thanks for that smile IRFRANK.

Friends and their baby arrived in Cairo just at the beginning of the current mess. I needed the smile.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 02:45 pm
@IRFRANK,
Good insight into Palin; she's way beyond her skills at one-liners.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 02:48 pm
Something appears to be happening east of Cairo.

8:31pm:Shots sound like they are coming from the east of the city, Peter Beaumont says. Tracer rounds from heavy calibre weapons suggest they are military. Bursts from the direction of the airport and Heliopolis – where the presidential palace is located. Tanks seen moving fast eastwards.

8.17pm:Peter Beaumont in Cairo reports hearing bursts of gunfire from several directions, sounds coming from somewhere far beyond Tahrir Square.



"First all we thought it might be vigilantes firing. It's not clear whether it's the army trying to clear people off the steets. May be warning shots. Coming from different directions"
CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/30/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-65
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 02:52 pm
I just found this thread. 12 pages of reading.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 03:08 pm
CBC News is now saying that the army is taking a neutral position--if that is true, it's the beginning of the end for Mubarak.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 03:20 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
CBC News is now saying that the army is taking a neutral position--if that is true, it's the beginning of the end for Mubarak
he wanted to put his kid in as leader after he dies, but the kid will get over it, as they will keep their Swiss bank accounts. Mubarak is at the end of his life, this ain't no big deal for him.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 03:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
Sounds like a legit analysis to me! Mr. Green
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 03:27 pm
9:25pm: US says it is preparing to evacuate thousands of its citizens who want to leave Egypt starting on Monday. Assistant secretary of states Janice Jacobs expects it will take many flights to handle the number of Americans who want to depart.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 03:30 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
9:25pm: US says it is preparing to evacuate thousands of its citizens who want to leave Egypt starting on Monday. Assistant secretary of states Janice Jacobs expects it will take many flights to handle the number of Americans who want to depart.
Considering reports that there are 70,000 Americans in Egypt and that many companies are now ordering families of their employees to leave.....ya,
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 03:38 pm
@JTT,
That's just crazy talk JTT, everyone knows that the US's difficulties in the region are because Australia invaded Gallipoli in 1915.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 03:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, I saw a report on CNN on the tourists who are stuck on boats on the Nile, because they can't get flights into Cairo to fly out of the country.

I was wondering how they are getting fed and getting fresh water to drink.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 04:51 pm
BBC update:

Quote:
30 January 2011 Last updated at 22:13 GMT
ElBaradei: No going back in Egypt

Leading Egyptian opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei has joined thousands of protesters in Cairo defying a curfew to demand President Mubarak stand down.

Addressing the crowd in Tahrir (Liberation) Square, the Nobel peace prize winner urged patience, saying "change is coming".

In a tense sixth day of protests, the army sent tanks into the square only to see them blocked by demonstrators.

Air force jets and a helicopter repeatedly flew low over the square.

"You have taken back your rights and what we have begun cannot go back," Mr ElBaradei told the crowd.

"I bow to the people of Egypt in respect. I ask of you patience, change is coming in the next few days."

Mr ElBaradei has been asked by opposition groups to negotiate with the authorities on forming a national unity government.

However, the BBC's Jim Muir in Cairo said the former UN official did not attract the attention of the whole crowd, which contained other political factions.

People in central Cairo stopped and stared as fighter jets flew overhead. This was a sight few had seen before. It was a clear display of military might, a strong reminder that the military remains the most powerful institution in Egypt.

Speculation and unsubstantiated rumours constantly circulate. Some are certain the president is stepping down. Others have heard of government figures being arrested. It all adds to the sense of insecurity.

Most shops and businesses are closed and now many ordinary Egyptians are starting to panic. There are already reports of bread shortages as long queues exhaust supplies. In one large supermarket I saw people clearing the shelves. One woman told me she was preparing to spend several days locked in her apartment if events took a turn for the worse.

At a cash machine outside a bank, two housewives emptied their accounts, filling their bags with money.

Embattled President Hosni Mubarak earlier met top commanders during a visit to a military headquarters.

Over the weekend, US President Barack Obama made a number of calls to foreign leaders to discuss the situation in Egypt, the White House said.

A statement said Mr Obama had spoken to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and British Prime Minister David Cameron. He asked them for their assessment of the situation and agreed to stay in close contact, it said.

Mr Cameron's office said he and Mr Obama were "united in their view that Egypt now needed a comprehensive process of political reform".

Echoing an earlier US statement, a spokesman for Mr Cameron said the two leaders wanted to see an "orderly, Egyptian-led transition" leading to a democratic future for Egypt.

Mr ElBaradei, however, has said Washington is losing credibility by talking of democracy while still supporting a president viewed by Egyptians as oppressive.

The BBC's Jeremy Bowen, in Tahrir Square, said the arrival of a column of tanks and the sound of jets roaring overhead significantly raised the tension among the crowds.

In Cairo on Sunday, there was no sign of the riot police with whom protesters have clashed violently in recent days, although state television said they were being ordered back on to the streets.

Late Sunday night, state television also reported that the 1600 (1400 GMT) curfew - which has been widely ignored - would be extended in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez to run from 1500 to 0800.

Clashes are reported to have left at least 100 people dead since rallies began on Tuesday in cities including Cairo, Suez and Alexandria. Thousands more have been injured.

Although Sunday is the start of the working week in the Middle East, many businesses in Cairo remained closed and internet access is still intermittent.

In Alexandria, in the north, the BBC's John Simpson said more protests were being held there and the army was out in force.

In the capital, citizens have formed armed groups to protect their property from looters.

Across the country, thousands of prisoners are reported to have escaped from jails after overpowering their guards.

They are said to include senior members of the Muslim Brotherhood - the largest opposition group in Egypt.

On Sunday, a number of Egyptian political movements issued a joint statement calling on Mr ElBaradei to form a transitional government. The Muslim Brotherhood is also reported to have asked him to negotiate with Mr Mubarak's regime.

Mr ElBaradei, a former head of the UN's nuclear watchdog, is a leading advocate for political reform and a likely challenger for Egypt's presidency.

Correspondents say that although he has become a leading figurehead of the opposition, protesters have not yet called for him to be their leader. ...<cont>


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12320200
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 04:52 pm
@hingehead,
That's what Gob said, wasn't it, Hinge? If Gob said it it must be right. He never tries to mislead or shift the blame to others for his own countries' crimes.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 05:05 pm
Hilary Clinton spoke of working with Mubark on a "transition" in Egypt. Could be B.S., or could be a signal that a deal has been cut.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 05:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I parsed that statement as being uncharacteristically pointed diplomatic speak. So much so that I don't think the statement would be made without a correlating belief that a transition is, in fact, a short-term probability (not that a deal was necessarily cut, could just be a reading of the tea leaves).
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2011 05:25 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:
I parsed that statement as being uncharacteristically pointed diplomatic speak.
Considering that the exit is currently being worked out by the military I figure Clinton was only trying to hook America's boat to the process, to make it seem like we have some power over events. The only part we might play other than yakking is to help find a place for his plane to land.
 

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