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The worlds first riddle!

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:16 am
Nope on the car. I'm doing again -- but 30% appears to be wrong.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:17 am
16% seems to be getting better ... but with my batting average lately, I gotta think some more.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:19 am
Nope 16% doesn't work.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:22 am
Welcome Lacomus, good to see a new name who knows what they are talking about. Very Happy

Quote, "There are a number of dubious answers."
There may well be a number of dubious questions, but the answers are remarkably good.

Besides, Alpha Centuri is a star and Adrian could not get within miles of it without being vaporized. (shame) Cool

Anyhoo, just to ensure that the praise is not misplaced, and your calculation was just a lucky guess. :wink:

Is it possible to reason why
304140932017133780436126081660647688443776415689605120782910270000
Cannot possibly be the value of 50 factorial, without actually performing the calculation. Question

Frank, keep off the wine. Shocked The answer is between the two numbers.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:26 am
4%.

An' I'm sticking with it.

Goddam math problems anyway!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:31 am
Ah ****, I didn't read your post -- and now I'm stuck with 4%.

Gotta go start trouble in the political and religion threads. I'll try to get back.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:48 am
Unfortunately -- now I am getting 8%.

I really should stay away from math problems.

In fact, maybe I should....nahhh.

What the hell. Even if I'm wrong, I'm exercising the noodle.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:51 am
Oops, just did it another way -- and came up with 24%.

Since that falls within the parameters of the "HINT" you gave, let me share the beauty of my reasoning on that answer.

(Hey, I can come up with answers all day long! You're just a stickler for the right one!)

Reasoning to follow.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 11:53 am
Nope -- 24% doesn't work either. Soon as I started to write my reasoning -- it went kaput!

But I suspect I am getting closer.

Hey, I can recognize a hint when I see one.

Back in just a few minutes. The people over in religion and politics are quiet today.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 12:04 pm
Back in just a few minutes. The people over in religion and politics are quiet today.[/quote]

Now I know you have been on the wine. It's like a war zone over there. Only for the brave. However to ease your mind try;

There are several chickens and rabbits in a cage (with no other types of animals). There are 72 heads and 200 feet inside the cage. How many chickens are there, and how many rabbits Question
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 12:04 pm
The guy initially made a 30% profit.

That was given in the problem itself.

Now he buys the car back at 20% of the price the guy paid for it.

Initially, I thought that would mean that he ended up with 80% of the 30% original profit -- (24%) but that does not seem to compute.


Let's try it another way:

Suppose the dealer originally paid $1000 for the car.

He sells it for $1300 -- which gives him a 30% profit.

He buys it back for $1040 (20% of the sale price to the disgruntled customer)

So he has made the difference between the original selling price to the disguntled customer of $1300 and the $1040 he gives back to the guy -- or $260.

If he sells the car for the $1000 original price -- he will have made a profit of $260/1000 -- or 26%.

I think.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 12:16 pm
Frank, you win the prize for perseverance. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

The full answer is as follows:
It seems like it would be 80% of 30% which is 24%. However, the formula for Fast Adrian's profit is:
30% more than he bought it for => 1.3
80% of what he sold it for => 1.3 * 0.8 => 1.04

so the profit becomes
1.3 - 1.04 = 0.26
His cash input/output looked like this:
-100% Bought car
+130% Sold car to sucker
-104% Bought back from sucker (80% of 130%)
+100% Sold car at original price
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26% Final profit.

This is the hardest one yet! Twisted Evil

You have an analogue clock whose face is numbered in a circle from 1 to 12, with 12 facing "north", 3 "east", 6 "south", and 9 "west".
You are allowed to draw two lines which go all the way across the clock face, and divide the numbers on the clock into 3 or 4 groups depending on if the lines intersect.
How can you draw the lines so that the numbers in each group add up to the same sum. Question
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 12:39 pm
Tryagain wrote:
Frank, you win the prize for perseverance. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

The full answer is as follows:
It seems like it would be 80% of 30% which is 24%. However, the formula for Fast Adrian's profit is:
30% more than he bought it for => 1.3
80% of what he sold it for => 1.3 * 0.8 => 1.04

so the profit becomes
1.3 - 1.04 = 0.26
His cash input/output looked like this:
-100% Bought car
+130% Sold car to sucker
-104% Bought back from sucker (80% of 130%)
+100% Sold car at original price
----------
26% Final profit.


Oh man, am I glad you finally said STOP.

I refused to allow pride to get in my way. I'da guess every number between16 and 30 if I had to. :wink: :wink:

Working on the other one.

The solution(s) will be forthcoming.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 12:56 pm
Hey, Try, just so I don't spend lots of time chasing my tail on this -- a question:

I want to assume the numbers stay as they are: The 12 will always be a 12 -- and the line cannot intersect it in a way that makes it a 1 & a 2.

Would that be a reasonable assumption to make?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 02:55 pm
Tryagain wrote:
There are several chickens and rabbits in a cage (with no other types of animals). There are 72 heads and 200 feet inside the cage. How many chickens are there, and how many rabbits Question



28 are rabbits -- and 44 are chickens.

REASONING:

All the animals have at least two legs. There are 72 animals which uses up 144 legs. That leaves 56 legs left over -- and giving 28 rabbits two each works.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 03:58 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Hey, Try, just so I don't spend lots of time chasing my tail on this -- a question:

I want to assume the numbers stay as they are: The 12 will always be a 12 -- and the line cannot intersect it in a way that makes it a 1 & a 2.

Would that be a reasonable assumption to make?


Very reasonable! Razz

You soon sorted out the rabbits and chickens. Two out of three for today.
Hey, thats very good. Turn the heating up and live in the shower. :wink:
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 04:22 pm
Got the clock thing. Sent you a PM.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 05:10 pm
The barrel one is a good one. If you assume the barrel is a perfect cylinder then all Frank and I need to do is tilt the barrel over until the level of the wine just reaches the lip. If the bottom of the barrel is still submerged then Frank is right. If some of the bottom is now above the level of the wine then I am right, either way, then the drinking can begin.

Try, I do work in the auto industry but I am NOT a used car salesman. That's Slappy your thinking of there.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 05:15 pm
Adrian wrote:
The barrel one is a good one. If you assume the barrel is a perfect cylinder then all Frank and I need to do is tilt the barrel over until the level of the wine just reaches the lip. If the bottom of the barrel is still submerged then Frank is right. If some of the bottom is now above the level of the wine then I am right, either way, then the drinking can begin.



Excellante', Adrian.

Just don't spill any!

It's a bitch to lap wine up off the floor.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 05:17 pm
I'll give you and Kev a chance at the clock puzzle before posting it.


Try.

50!

I want the answer.
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