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Serious question for the menfolk

 
 
Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 08:50 am
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
What do you mean?
Well in the topsy-turvy world of the apes as dominant, I would imagine this question to have significance for them also, with chimpanzee menses consider the following:
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Chimpanzee reproductive senescence: A possible model for evolution of the menopause

Kenneth G. Gould1, Marcha Flint2, Charles E. Graham3

Received 13 October 1980; accepted 13 April 1981.

Abstract
Reproductive senescence was studied in 2 female Pan troglodytes and one Pan paniscus over 40 yr old. Menstrual cycle data for these animals, in the last 3 yr, when compared to that of the same animals in previous years and to records obtained between 1967 and 1980 on 51 Pan troglodytes between 18–39 yr old, demonstrated increased length of menstrual cycles, as shown by decrease in frequency of menses.

Oestrone glucuronide and pregnanediol glucuronide were measured in 24-h urine samples by radioimmunoassay. The pattern of excretion differed only slightly from that of younger animals. One Pan troglodytes had reduced oestrogen levels, but normal gonadotropin levels. The single ovulatory peak of LH normally seen in younger animals was replaced by multiple peaks in the Pan troglodytes.

Menopause was observed in the Pan paniscus as documented by cessation of menstrual cyclicity, elevation of gonadotropin levels, and exaggerated response to injection of 100 μg of gonadotropin-releasing hormone. The FSH: LH ratio was reversed in this animal. Histology of the ovaries of the Pan paniscus revealed a paucity of primary and developing follicles, and an increase in fibrous tissue. The Pan troglodytes appear to be peri-menopausal. This data suggests that the chimpanzee may serve as a model for certain phases of reproductive senescence in the human.


http://www.maturitas.org/article/0378-5122(81)90007-4/abstract
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chai2
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 10:07 am
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

What's interesting about all this is that despite the fact that we may complain about certain general features of our body (too fat, too thin, too tall etc) is that we seem hardwired to be comfortable as a male or female. I don't think it's a social imprint, but rather there at birth. No one here is looking to morph into the other sexes' body and we can barely relate to the experience. We might want the rights a society affords a certain sex, but women don't have "penis envy" and men are not expressing "womb envy". Overall, we seem like were we are locked in to what we are with appreciation for what the opposite sex brings to the relationship. It's Viva la difference! and not wanting to trade places. It makes me think about transgender people who I think have been "wired" incorrectly. They do not have this feeling of rightness, but rather they are trapped in the wrong body. It probably feels like your body had been abducted by an alien of the wrong sex. I bet a male to female transgender person could really answer Chai's question.


Yeah, I'll bet they could.

I believe what they say about feeling trapped in a body of the wrong sex, but I can't say that I understand it. I wouldn't want to go through the hassle of changing my gender, but I'm really not convinced it would make any difference in how I feel about myself.
Oh sure, I just stated before how I think having a cycle formulated how I think of the world, and time, but I also think if I thought another way, I'd be just as fulfilled.

While I think a lot of things about being a man would be a pain in the ass, i.e. liking, or pretending to like sports (that and other stereotypes), I think a lot of things about being a woman, things I see other women enjoy, pretty dreadful too. i.e. shopping, and some other girly stuff. (yuck)
Green Witch
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 10:21 am
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While I think a lot of things about being a man would be a pain in the ass, i.e. liking, or pretending to like sports (that and other stereotypes), I think a lot of things about being a woman, things I see other women enjoy, pretty dreadful too. i.e. shopping, and some other girly stuff. (yuck)


Yes, but sports and shopping are really optional and you can rebel. It's not optional to get a hard-on at an awkward time or your period the day you finally decide to sleep with your new boyfriend.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 11:08 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Ah ha...


Uh uh....
http://www.animateit.net/data/media/164/guy_e0.gif

Very Happy
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 12:00 pm
@chai2,
This thread took a bit of a serious turn since last night.

I agree completely with Green Witch. Our maleness and femaleness are hardwired at birth.

I'm of the opinion that there is a huge difference in the way men and women think and feel and if we could change our sex for a day we would be stunned by the difference...and damned uncomfortable.

This is not to say that a woman can't have traits traditionally associated with masculinity or vice versa, but even similar traits will be expressed differently.

Hormones are pretty powerful chemicals. Look at the enormous changes they produce at puberty, look at the effects they can have on individuals when they are given as supplements. And this is just the chemistry of the sexes.

Studies of pre-pubescent children show that girls and boys think in different ways and that there is a neurology of the sexes.

Sometime ago Jeff Bridges starred in a movie called Starman in which he played an alien that took on the form of a human male. From the very outset he played the character being unfamiliar with and ungainly in the human form. His physical movements were spastic, and his speech halting. I have no idea whether this was an accurate portrayal of what it would be like for an alien to take on human form, but I admired Bridges for thinking of the question and attempting to express an answer in his acting. Interestingly enough once he becomes more comfortable with being human he takes on being a male.

This is how I think we would find ourselves if we woke up tomorrow in the body of the opposite sex. I'm sure we would get used to it as we are amazingly adaptable, but I think it would be a very strange first few days.
George
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 01:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Be a lot of fumbling around for a while.
Like when I misplace my reading glasses.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 01:48 pm
@George,
George wrote:

Be a lot of fumbling around for a while.
Like when I misplace my reading glasses.


Which leads to all sorts of questions regarding the pleasure of manual stimulation on two entirely different levels.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 07:00 pm
@Lash,
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I can wear dresses; I can wear faded Levis.


You think you're so smart, Lash. So can I!
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 07:03 pm
@dlowan,
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And they have to dangle their stuff out there in public when they pee.


The bush is my friend but that doesn't seem to be the case for the ladies. They always wanna hold it 'til they get to a right proper can.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 09:20 pm
@JTT,
PICS!!!!! (snicker)
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 08:28 am
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr08/21/16/enhanced-389-1398111375-15.jpg
http://www.buzzfeed.com/smbc/the-true-reason-menstruation-is-called-a-period
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chai2
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 04:11 pm
@anonymously99,
If you had a hysterectomy you would still have a vagina, so why bother?
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chai2
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 06:30 pm
@anonymously99,
Actually, that makes some kind of weird logic.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2014 09:32 pm
@chai2,
Possibly you have been here too long and reading the wrong stuff.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 11:34 am
http://i61.tinypic.com/2rxcfi1.png
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http://theodd1sout.tumblr.com/post/80614235482/feminist-punch-full-image-facebook-twitter
http://tapastic.com/episode/34999
chai2
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 04:30 pm
@tsarstepan,
heh, I forgot about this tread.

You know what? When I think back on all those years, it's never about the pain. It's not about the pain at all.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 04:36 pm
@chai2,
Only women bleed huh.

My fiancé states the same, he has to shave all the time. So when he decides not to shave for "months" and loves his beard which I claim needs at least a trim, I pose the question...... "Really, you have to shave all the time?" Then off course I make mention, so do most women....

Next argument? (Stated to fiancé )

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