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What if the laws of physics were different?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 05:17 am
@farmerman,
Joe is gonna love that . . .
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:38 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

The only laws of nature we know about are observable from this planet . Even the laws of gravity are assumed to be universal WITHOUT any variation. Some observations suggest the laws of gravity may not be unifom throughout the universe. Untill we get a handle on extra dimensions, zero point energy and the nature of the sub-atomic and galactic universes, it would be best not to say what we cant do, but rather what we know we can do.....and magic isnt one of them.
A common point to physics and magic is force at a distance which cannot be explained even today... People used to consider Ether a medium for that force, but cannot prove it; so ignore it... It is all so impossible it must be real... Just as with religion, as white magic, it is not because it can be understood that it is believe because it is more believed the less it is understood.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 09:04 am
@Fido,
I was privy to an interview with some PNG natives who saw their first white man before WWII. They followed them and dug up their ****.....smelling it they determined that if it looks like a man, walks like a man and shits like a man it must be a man so they threw out the theory they had been working on that white men were gods. But they were very impressed with white man magic. They considered them to have great power over spirits.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 09:28 am
@Ionus,
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I was privy to an interview with some PNG natives who saw their first white man before WWII. They followed them and dug up their ****.....smelling it they determined that if it looks like a man, walks like a man and shits like a man it must be a man so they threw out the theory they had been working on that white men were gods. But they were very impressed with white man magic. They considered them to have great power over spirits.



Interesting method of analysis. So if it takes a ****, it is not a god?

This initiates a lot of questions in my mind. Does God or any god for that matter eat? i.e. do they take in energy? If so, are they a process that consumes and what do they consume and where does the waste matter go?

If you claim that they or He, is not physical, but some form of energy, is not some of that energy expended in thought or actions? Where does it come from?

Which may bring up an ultimate question: "Does God's **** stink?"
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 09:29 am
@IRFRANK,
Gods? No assholes...
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 11:33 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

I was privy to an interview with some PNG natives who saw their first white man before WWII. They followed them and dug up their ****.....smelling it they determined that if it looks like a man, walks like a man and shits like a man it must be a man so they threw out the theory they had been working on that white men were gods. But they were very impressed with white man magic. They considered them to have great power over spirits.

What setonhishat said about Arthur Clark is true from the perspective of the less advanced culture, and from the point of view of the more advanced want of technology has often been confused with lack of intelligence... It often took greater ingenuity and intelligence, and certainly a more managed society to survive the want of technology, and as Nietzsche noted: might makes dull...My paraphrase... The strong are inclined to use their strength, and the powerless are more inclined to think, and for primitives, the desire for power based upon the feelings of a hopeless powerlessness invited magic into their thinking... It is like Dumbo's magic feather... Life is frightening, and sometimes all that is needed is a brave face, and courage, and whether that comes from the white magic of religion or black magic in the forces of nature, it serves that purpose... Magic is the technology of the past... In magic, alchemy for example, is the beginnings of science ... Consider ritual, for example... What good would reason alone do if people found ritual impossible??? What experiment would be possible if people could not reproduce the same conditions exactly with a ritualistic certainty... Ritual used to attend every action of every primitive with the hope of recreating the past in the future... We are still the same... We find it nearly impossible to change established behavior, and ritualistic and magical behavior is a sign of neurosis, but we are all a little neurotic... It may be repressed, but it is a sign of the time...
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 06:38 pm
@Ionus,
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I was privy to an interview with some PNG natives who saw their first white man before WWII.


Or you read it in a book and ... .
roger
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 07:06 pm
@Francis,
Like The Man Who Would be King. Gods don't even get to bleed.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 07:55 pm
What if the laws of physics were different?

The laws of physics are different in the US when it is deemed necessary. Citizens are told they can see a 747 where none exists. In New York city, the laws of physics can be suspended for one day at a time. Planes, whose black boxes say they are flying at 300 feet can suddenly be made to drop vertically that same 300 feet and continue flying straight as an arrow.

Cell phones are given special powers that they never had. This is even made a central them in a fantasy movie made for US citizens, kind of their own Harry Potter.

It's all pretty miraculous and a joy to witness.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:08 pm
@Stormalv,
I wonder if the first humans who learned how to make and use fire chose to share this knowledge with everyone, or if they used this knowledge to gain power.

Didn't the pharaos of ancient Egypt present themselves to their people as gods? It seems a fair assumption that they used some knowledge of nature that they posessed and none others did, giving rise to myths about magic.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:16 pm
@JTT,
JustaTyranicalTirade has arrived. Now wait and see how long it takes a muslim woman from Gaza to introduce USA war crimes into a thread on magic whilst discounting Stalin as a nice guy.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:17 pm
@JTT,
THAT didnt take long ! Her very next post ! She was raped by the 101 div and has never forgiven them for stopping to go to war....this is why she hates the USA for their splendid war record.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:21 pm
@Ionus,
Is this an admission that you lied?
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:26 pm
@JTT,
Isnt there the breasts being cut off a breast feeding woman somewhere you can drool over and enjoy the power trip ? Then you can claim it as USA policy and only you, the great YOU, can save the world.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:29 pm
@Ionus,
You certainly do seem to enjoy fantasizing about this. Perhaps you'd like the link so you can read it over and over and over instead of just talking about it here over and over and over.

Another admission that you lied?
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:34 pm
@JTT,
No, it isnt. Would you like to quote the details of the movie you saw that you think is the sole source of my information ? Do you really think it impossible that I may have been involved in that movie or similar documentaries and research ? This would be based on your inability to get a visa to leave Gaza, right ?

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You certainly do seem to enjoy fantasizing about this.
Are you denying that in one of your psycho-bitch rantings you said it ?
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 12:07 am
@Ionus,
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... you said it ?


Said what, precisely? Not one of your fanciful lies either.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 03:36 am
@JTT,
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Said what, precisely?
You dont know what you said ? Is that due to the medication or the illness ?
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Not one of your fanciful lies either.
Of course you think other people lie...it is either that or you lie...it has to be one or the other.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 03:39 am
@Fido,
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ritualistic.........behavior is a sign of neurosis
No, it isnt. It is a sign of what works.
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:02 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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ritualistic.........behavior is a sign of neurosis
No, it isnt. It is a sign of what works.
If the first time you caught a fish you made a note of all your behavior leading up to the event and followed that same behavior to a t ever after you would have the beginning of science, because, while you might go hungry, you could one by one exclude inessential actions... For primitives, much useless behavior is included with the necessary, and they actually believe in events which are world turning, that advance the seasons and such.. When modern people are obscessed with ritual behavior, like hand washing, it most certainly is a sign of neurosis...
 

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