Who wants what groups?

@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

Which leads me to the question Robert; What do you consider monopolizing a thread? Or being extreme?

Who cares? The point is that I can't wait to have my own group that is curated more than a2k and I can.

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Are you monopoloizing a thread if your posts take up more than X percentage of the total? Or is that a generic way of saying that if you don't like what a person is saying, that means they are monopolizing? Or being extreme?

It's a generic way of saying I can decide for my self who I want in my group.

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What some people may consider monopolizing, others may consider an interesting and educational read.

No **** sherlock.

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Same goes for "moderating extremes". By whose standards? Yours? I don't know what your standards are.

Exactly. And you don't need to. I am not asking about what people think of my standards, I am asking who wants a group. You don't seem to want one, so that's fine but I don't know what your point is.

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Jespah indicated a good part of the reasoning is that newbies may have trouble finding threads in subjects that routinely get thumbed down by many of us in a housekeeping maneuver to make New Posts easier to read, like water softening, esl, puzzles, riddles, and I'm guessing the english to latin translation questions.
I think that would happen because the default setting for collapsing threads is YES rather than NO. But, even if that's true, plenty of newbies do still ask english to latin translation questions..

I am assuming Robert does want to keep the default setting as 'yes', and that the impact on newbies is real, so I can see the reasons for those special groups. I'm unenthused about the other sort of special groups on a given subject, but, again, can understand people would want those as controlled topics.

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

Would founders and leaders of each group get a stipend or salary and/or the ability to charge membership fees to its subsequent membership?

No to the first, but the second is a possible future option, where groups owners could charge for entry to a group.

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@BumbleBeeBoogie,

Are you asking to have such a group created? Or just saying you are interested in someone else doing the group?

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Maybe I'm not understanding the purpose of the groups.

I agree, and that's fine but I am asking those who do who wants to start a beta group.

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@farmerman,

incontinence? seems like that topic drifted right out of genesis. no one goes there anymore,

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@roger,

roger wrote:

In any case, I continue to believe that private groups will be detrimental to the site as a whole. Either there are good discussions going on that most are unaware of, or there will be visible and maybe provocative comments that most of us will not be able to respond to.

I disagree, many times the groups are going to BRING discussions to a2k that were otherwise not going to be held here at all (for example, initially the groups are largely going to be other forums that are not currently a part of a2k at all).

But I'm not gonna waste my time arguing against misperceptions that reality can shortly right, I guess I can put you down in the column of not wanting a group?

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@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

All this "seeking membership" stuff....I'll be honest, it makes me feel kinda unwanted.

I get why but it's supremely silly and most of the insecurity on this thread about groups is completely misplaced. In any case, I don't have time to hand hold about this.

It's just forum hosting, I guess you don't want your own forum but there are those who do and who get it and who I am addressing my request to.

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@Robert Gentel,

Do I have to do anything with it right away?

I am contemplating taking a cruise first.

be back in a month or so.

nobody talks cars here. I'd do an automotive group of some sort. mebbe...

(hey, somebody tell rob I posted, I think he has me on ignore...)

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@Robert Gentel,

I think most of the insecurity comes from not understanding what it is that you're proposing.

How will a "group" integrate into the current A2K? Will the discussions in a group be firewalled from the main site?

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

I honestly don't believe that this would be in the interests or to the benefit of the A2K community as a whole.

I don't believe you begin to understand how it would work though.

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What particular interest groups here believe this would be a good thing for them? (Those with no interest in being part of the whole community?)

Why does that matter? If they want to have a forum, why is it any skin off your back if the forum host is somewhere else or here?

It doesn't affect you at all if you don't want your own forum.

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Who would find it satisfying to be able to read, but not be able to contribute to any particular thread?
I don't get why this idea is being suggested.

This is not being "suggested". I am not asking for input on what anyone thinks of the idea. I am just asking who wants specific BETA forums, it is not open for discussion with those who are not interested in them as it really doesn't affect or involve them, despite their insecurities in that regard.

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@Robert Gentel,

If we can get people to pay for the privilege of joining our groups.... I call dibs on Lenny Conundrums/Neopets.

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

It's just forum hosting

so primarily a home for other forums sort of attached to the side of A2K?

does A2K even need to know about them?

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

I am not asking for input on what anyone thinks of the idea. I am just asking who wants specific BETA forums, it is not open for discussion with those who are not interested in them as it really doesn't affect or involve them, despite their insecurities in that regard.

ahh, ok

well, I'm curious, but I guess not interested ( not feeling particularly insecure either)

sorry

byeeee

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@Robert Gentel,

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This is not being "suggested". I am not asking for input on what anyone thinks of the idea. I am just asking who wants specific BETA forums, it is not open for discussion with those who are not interested in them as it really doesn't affect or involve them, despite their insecurities in that regard.

I personally support the ideas of forums, but I don't think it is insecurity which is provoking a response against them amongst some here. At all. Rather, it's an examination of the fact that creating sub- and splinter-groups is likely to have both positive and negative effects upon the A2K community as a whole.

I don't like the idea of having threads that I can't even see, but the idea of having threads that only members of certain groups can post in is fine.

Cycloptichorn

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

how could the general A2K board continue as always if group topics are taken away from the board?

Groups are initially going to mostly represent an influx of topic from elsewhere, not from a2k. I don't see them affecting the general boards much at all except to cause them some growth from the additional membership that the new boards will attract.

But the bottom line is that a2k is likely not going to see much impact at all except some crossover from more diverse membership. There is a lot of F.U.D. here that is just plain silly and sophomoric (seems to have taken from my example of an idiot-free forum and not looked back) about acceptance but this is just forum hosting, and just like the thousands of such forum hosts don't affect you this likely won't unless you participate in those forums.

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@George,

I also don't think it would be a good idea if they are required to hold an average-sized donkey in their lap while they are in the group.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

I think most of the insecurity comes from not understanding what it is that you're proposing.

I agree, but those who don't begin to understand it are just not the folks I am addressing it to. They probably are not the best folks for a BETA test to run the forums right?

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How will a "group" integrate into the current A2K? Will the discussions in a group be firewalled from the main site?

For the most part there will be little to no relation. Have you ever seen a free forum host? You know, the ones where you can sign up and create your own forum? Well it's just like that but happens to be on this domain, giving a2k the network effect of pooled membership.

These are just stand-alone forums hosted by able2know. Able2know benefits from the network effect of pooling the members and they benefit from both that and the free hosting but it otherwise is similar to how the current half-finished philforum affects the main site: not at all really except to bring worry warts out of the woodwork to worry about how it might affect them.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't like the idea of having threads that I can't even see, but the idea of having threads that only members of certain groups can post in is fine.

And that is the dumb insecurity part (which is also human nature, so don't get me wrong, I think humans are dumb about this). There are thousands of forums online that you can't see, but as soon as you know you can't may bother you.

It shouldn't, it's silly and quite frankly not the main point. Groups are just forum hosting, if you've never been compelled to start a forum and if you do not want to join other ones, it won't affect you.

In a nutshell, there's a lot of worry about division but the math is actually addition here. I set the wrong stage by talking about my idiot-free forum and that is all that got fixated on.

The most groups represent to those not part of one is a navigation element on the menu. The integration is not going to be like typical forum groups, this is more like forum hosting, they are separate forums being hosted here.

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@Robert Gentel,

I've noticed that there is a large number of requests for language assistance. Since I'm not able to help them, maybe it would be better to have the A2Kers who help people with languages give their opinions about a group.

BBB

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