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NBA trying to eliminate "overt" player reactions.

 
 
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 07:09 am

Quote:
NBA Players To Sue League, Say New Technical Rules "Harm Our Product"

The NBA players association is considering legal action against the league over their new enforcement policy regarding
on-the-court complaints.

This season, players are subject to technical fouls for "unnecessary and unwarranted overreaction" to calls made by the referees
or even "overt gestures" directed at other players. Since they also raised the fines for receiving technicals and the accumulation
of T's can result in a suspension, players are understandably upset about the assault on their pocket books.

But the union is also worried about the effect on player psyches, arguing that the rules are "stifling the players' passion and
exuberance for their work" and making the game really boring watch.
(business insider)
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 07:46 am
@kickycan,
Kicky Hath Spoken
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:18 am
"Cager
A basketball player; derived from the days when a wire mesh barrier surrounded the court to protect the fans from the players and vice versa."

source

From a link on that page:

Quote:
Basketball at one time was referred to as the “Cage Game” and players’ “Cagers”. This was a result of wire mesh (chicken wire) or chain-link fencing being hung around the entire court in an effort to make the game go faster by eliminating all the out of bounds delays. However, in reality, it served more as a barrier to protect the players and rowdy spectators from each other, as well as from the objects being thrown onto the court. The wire cage actually resulted in additional rough play with players body checking each other into the wire mesh as in hockey. Players often received cuts, bruises, and even incurred infections from the rusting wire mesh. Although, the use of cages were abandoned by 1933, the term "Cagers" is still used today.


There is an image of a "caged" court at that linked page, but i was unable to copy the url for the image because of the manner in which it is embedded.

Just because Joe hasn't heard of it doesn't mean it's not true.
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:22 am
@Setanta,
great stuff...always wondered at the word cagers Very Happy

http://www.blackfives.com/blog_pics/vintage_cage.jpg
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:27 am
From the Hooptactics-dot-com Basketball history page. If you look a little more than half-way down that page, you'll see a photograph of a "caged" basketball court.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:28 am
@panzade,
Cool . . . where did you find that image?
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:29 am
@Setanta,

thanx Boss -- was searching for a pic of that yesterday, to no avail...

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/851/cager.jpg

http://hooptactics.com/Basketball_Basics_History
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:30 am
@panzade,

even better...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:36 am
I believe it was in the 1880s that umpires were sometimes protected in cages--but i haven't been able to find anything online. I read about it more than 40 years ago, in a baseball book i had gotten as a present. That was while i was still in elementary school, and who knows where the book is now.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 08:57 am
@Setanta,
The notion that umpires worked from cages is one of the most preposterous things I've ever heard. A sole umpire worked most games until the early 20th century, when a single field umpire was added. As such, the umpire needed to be mobile in order to call plays at all bases -- something he couldn't very well do from within a cage. Furthermore, in the 1880s, an umpire would just as likely be found standing behind the pitcher as behind the catcher, and the middle of the diamond is not a very good spot for a cage.
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 09:15 am
@Setanta,
http://www.blackfives.com/blog_pics/vintage_cage.jpg
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 09:48 am
@joefromchicago,
That's OK, as i said, i couldn't find anything to back it up. But you're not an oracle, Joe (your latest fit of temper notwithstanding), as the matter of "cager" shows.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 10:02 am
I freely acknowledge that i couldn't find anything to back up umpires being protected in a cage. However, my point in that post was the abuse which "fans" routinely hurled at players and officials.

This is from a page entitled A History of Umpiring

Quote:
That same year a new professional circuit, the American Association, pioneered in the creation of an umpiring staff that was hired, paid, and assigned to games by the league itself. Paid $140 a month and $3 per diem for expenses while on the road, American Association umpires were required to wear blue flannel coats and caps while working games. The next year the National League adopted its own permanent paid and uniformed staff, thus completing the professionalization of major league "men in blue."

Despite increased status, umpiring in the major leagues was an uncertain, stressful, and even dangerous occupation through the end of the century. Frequent revisions in the rules and innovations in playing techniques made the umpire's job exceedingly difficult, while the physical and verbal abuse from fans and players alike often made an umpire's life intolerable. Umpires were routinely spiked, kicked, cursed, and spat upon by players, while fans hurled vile epithets and all manner of debris at the arbiters. Mobbings and physical assaults were frequent, so much so that police escorts were familiar and welcome sights to the men in blue. The transformation of the umpire from esteemed arbitrator to despised villain was largely deliberate. As club owners and league officials recognized that umpire baiting boosted gate receipts, they refused to support the umpires' field decisions, dismissed or paid player's fines, did little to curb rowdiness, and even joined sportswriters in depicting umpires as scoundrels and scapegoats. Occasionally umpires retaliated by hurling objects back into the stands or by punching players and reporters--and were summarily punished for so doing. But most found other jobs. In an era when "Kill the umpire!" was not mere rhetoric, there was a high turnover rate in umpires as few men were willing to endure such trials and tribulations for paltry pay and poor working conditions.


My point was about the fans, the players, the officials and the relationships between them.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2010 06:25 am

Quote:
Midway through the second quarter of the Los Angeles Lakers' preseason game against the Sacramento Kings on Wednesday, Lamar Odom was whistled for a shooting foul against Carl Landry.

After the call was made, Odom kept his offending arm up in the air for several seconds to indicate he believed his defense was legal and within the rule of verticality, and an official promptly issued him a technical foul.

The explanation? Even though Odom's mouth was silent, his arm was raised for more than three seconds. Automatic technical.
"That was one of the weirdest technicals I've ever gotten," Odom said after the game.

[ snip ]

"You have to zip it," Odom said. "If they call you for a tech, it's $2,000. That's a lot of money in America or anywhere. I don't want to give away $2,000 for going, 'Damn, I thought I had the ball!' or showing emotion. I want to keep my money, point blank."

The rule affects the Lakers especially because Kobe Bryant isn't just one of the game's most prolific scorers; he also picks up more T's than a professional Scrabble player. Bryant was whistled for 14 technical fouls last season, fourth-most in the league. In 2008-09 he was called for 11 and the season before that he picked up a league-leading 15 technicals.

When asked about the rule change during media day, Bryant said, "I thought it was like that already." He was partially correct:
The league launched a similar initiative prior to the 2006-07 season before abandoning the enforcement of it
early on in that season.
(espn)
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2010 11:13 am
Quote:

I think it affects everybody, because it's such an emotional game. But that's the rule," Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro said. "So you have to control your emotions and you have to be smart about it. And it's difficult - especially for the players at times. And the rule is probably going to change the outcomes of games at times."

The league put the policy in place this season after saying its research showed fans felt that the players complained too much, which Hunter disputes.
"We have not seen any increase in the level of 'complaining' to the officials and we believe that players as a whole have demonstrated appropriate behavior toward the officials," Hunter said. "Worse yet, to the extent the harsher treatment from the referees leads to a stifling of the players' passion and exuberance for their work, we fear these changes may actually harm our product."

Besides warning of more techs, the NBA doubled the cost of them. Players and coaches are now docked $2,000 for each of their first five, all the way up to $5,000 starting at No. 16, along with a one-game suspension for every other technical.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/10/14/nbapa.suit.ap/index.html?xid=si_topstories#ixzz12dWYcaTL


Well hell, someone should do a public opinion survey on this rule then, because I strongly suspect that the fans dont want their stars ejected for showing a little spunk. If the fans desires are the reason this rule was put in then the fans should be able to make it go away.

Though I still figure the rule has other purposes.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2010 04:44 pm
@hawkeye10,

what it's doing is making the ref's the center of attention during the game.

in the past, when they were doing they're job correctly, you barely noticed them...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 07:22 am

Quote:
NBA's tough stance on on-court behavior unlikely to last

... the league will “walk back” the new policy, gradually easing it throughout the season until few remember that it was a policy to begin with -- just as by the time the 2007 Finals came around, no one remembered the goofiness of the new ball. We’ve seen the same thing in the past with supposed crackdowns on common violations like palming and traveling. Watch a game and see just how much the league actually has cracked down on either.
(sportingnews)
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 04:00 pm

a month into the season, it seems there hasn't been an over-abundance of T's being called.

in the games i've watched, players aren't arguing as vehemently as before, and the ref's (to their credit) are showing restraint.

good thing rasheed wallace retired this summer.
he was probably the league's worst offender when it came to demonstrative gyrations of foul calls he disagreed with, which was
pretty much every foul call he received...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 05:04 am

the new rule appears to be working, and is rarely called.

in the games i've watched, players have toned down the histrionics -- letting their coach argue a questionable call -- and the
ref's are giving the occasional outbursts a lot more leeway than they did during the preseason...
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 07:36 am
@Region Philbis,
Hey that's good. I've been curious, thanks for the update. (I haven't caught any NBA games this year yet.)
 

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