Fido
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 03:47 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

That's a bit misogynistic Fido. Top dogs always get sniffed first here.
I should have figured... Mirrors mess with my mind too...They never reflect my residual self image...
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 03:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Depends on the kind of dog, I would think. Mr. Green
There are no bad dogs without bad masters...
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bulldogcoma
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 12:11 am
@spendius,
Of course. Which is why people who say philosophy is dead pretty much defeat their own argument every time. We can never truly perceive objectively because our thoughts pass through the subjective filters of our minds.
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bulldogcoma
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 12:14 am
@Fido,
Never mind looks like i'm the fuckwad. Forgot my name was bulldog because I've used it for to long haha. Forgive me if you find it in your heart buddy and maybe you can sniff MY butt.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 02:41 am
@Fido,
Quote:
You can trust a dog; but how many people can you trust???


What mistrust does to a person might be lesser of an evil than the pain of broken trust. Maybe I would feel better if I trusted and was let down than if I didn't trust at all...
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 07:04 am
@bulldogcoma,
bulldogcoma wrote:

Never mind looks like i'm the fuckwad. Forgot my name was bulldog because I've used it for to long haha. Forgive me if you find it in your heart buddy and maybe you can sniff MY butt.
Thanks, and I'll consider it...
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 07:23 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

Quote:
You can trust a dog; but how many people can you trust???


What mistrust does to a person might be lesser of an evil than the pain of broken trust. Maybe I would feel better if I trusted and was let down than if I didn't trust at all...
Clearly, you know how the dog feels... I think it takes a lot of strength and courage to deal with humanity berzerk, as it were, without armor... I am certain that my own careless words have hurt many, and I have been hurt as well... This site represents the bulk of my human interactions only because I can be little hurt here, and do not feel I have the power to hurt anyone here, though clearly I have hurt some without much intent... But the reason I relate more here than in the real world is not fear of hurt, but the fact that it is easier to walk away from this and ya'all than real people... There is a lot of need out there...

A lot of people are hurt and wounded, walking around not knowing what they are going to do, or even where they will find their next meal... If this is escape, it is escape from the fact that no one human can witness pain without feeling pain, and there is a real risk of being caught in the downward drift of others, much as swimmers are sucked down with a sinking ship...

Desparete people are dangerous... Hopeless people can be deadly...You hear of people being killed by strangers, or people they know or are related to who hate them... It is not seldom you here of some one being killed by one they were trying to help or counsel in some fashion... I don't wnat to be a good samaritin... I want to help people, when I help people, because I think they need it, and they ask for it, and will benefit by it- understanding that all interaction means I have an open ended relationship with that person whose course no one alone can dictate...

It takes guts to risk hurt, and it take courage to love; but it beats the hell out of going through life with your guard always up as some times we must...
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 08:53 am
@Fido,
Quote:
It takes guts to risk hurt, and it take courage to love; but it beats the hell out of going through life with your guard always up as some times we must...


That's what I'm saying. I'd rather trust and be hurt than not trust at all. I think that would cause me more hurt.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 09:17 am
@Cyracuz,
Why do you think you ought to trust people Cyr? That it would pain you to think you didn't. I've never met a bloke I felt I could trust if push comes to shove. And I wouldn't wish to either.

It might be a strategy to put pressure on people to do what you want. To make them feel bad that you're hurt if they let you down.

Trust has a scale. There are different levels of pressure to break it. You can't deal with a philosophical principle in the cosy middle ground.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 09:38 am
@spendius,
Oswald Spengler wrote--

Quote:
This is a new, a German, outlook upon economics, an outlook from beyond all Capitalism and Socialism---both of which were products of the jejune rationality of the eighteenth century, and aimed at nothing but a material analysis and subsequent synthesis of the economic surface. All that has been taught hitherto is no more than preparatory. Economic thought, like legal, stands now on the verge of its true and proper development, which (for us, as for the Hellenistic-Roman age) sets in only where art and philosophy have irrevocably passed away.


Religion in other words.

Hence, if that is taken seriously, we can judge where philosophy is by the extent we feel that we operate on nothing but a material analysis and subsequent synthesis of the economic surface.

Philosophy is dead for whoever it is dead for.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 10:47 am
@spendius,
Do you have any idea how tiring it is to go around being suspicious all the time?

Quote:
I've never met a bloke I felt I could trust if push comes to shove.


That's just sad. I have my family. I trust them absolutely, all of them, with anything. I also have friends I can trust.
Then there are the people I can trust to let me down. Even if they break that trust, it's win win for me.

Also, my friends and family can trust that if they do hurt me, I can forgive them. What's anything worth without this?
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 11:02 am
@Cyracuz,
The ability to DIStrust can be a rational response to the actions of others. MIStrust, on the other hand, is an irrational predisposition suffered by some kinds of personalities. Spendius, be careful--the capacity to trust is the capacity for the kind of social joy obviously enjoyed by Cryacuz. Mistrust, the predisposition, sours one's life.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 01:13 pm
@JLNobody,
spendi doesn't suffer from mistrust, because he plasters his brain almost daily at the local pub. Studies have shown that such daily habits in drinking kills brain cells.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 01:42 pm
@JLNobody,
Yes, I do not trust blindly of course, and I am no stranger to the mistrust that can so often turn into outright paranoia. I just know how I want it to be, so I try to make that happen.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 02:00 pm
@Cyracuz,
Good enough!
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 02:05 pm
@JLNobody,
Quote:
The ability to DIStrust can be a rational response to the actions of others. MIStrust, on the other hand, is an irrational predisposition suffered by some kinds of personalities. Spendius, be careful--the capacity to trust is the capacity for the kind of social joy obviously enjoyed by Cryacuz. Mistrust, the predisposition, sours one's life.


I don't agree. Obviously Cyr enjoys his "win/win" and how can not one just love "social joy". This trusting people seems very enjoyable at very little cost. So much so that it looks a bit self-indulgent. Almost cunning.

I know what you mean of course but this is a philosophy thread and not one for parading our superior moral selves. When it become the latter philosophy is truly dead. Even wit has departed.

People who parade their superior moral self are the very ones I trust the least.

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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 02:08 pm
@JLNobody,
Best that can be hoped for in my opinion. Smile
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 02:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's a question ci. of which brain cells alcohol kills and which it nurtures.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 02:20 pm
@Cyracuz,
Why do you want anything to be worth anything Cyr?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2012 02:57 pm
@spendius,
Look it up on the internet; you might find something instructive for you. Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk
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