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Israelis, Palestinians lock horns ahead of peace talks

 
 
Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 03:02 pm
August 24, 2010
Israelis, Palestinians lock horns ahead of peace talks
By Sheera Frenkel | McClatchy Newspapers

JERUSALEM — Less than a week after the U.S. announced the relaunching of Middle East peace negotiations, Israeli and Palestinian leaders are already disputing the goals, agenda and conditions for the talks.

The jostling for position began Friday after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced the formal start on Sept. 2 at the White House. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the talks would initially focus on security issues, but Mahmoud Abbas, the chairman of the Palestinian Authority Chairman, rebutted that the talks would focus on all final status issues, and would be built on "previous discussions."

While Netanyahu has avoided discussing an extension of the current freeze on settlement construction — currently due to expire on Sept. 26 — the Palestinians said the talks would be "immediately" called off if Israel issues construction tenders for the West Bank settlements, which they see as illegally built on land earmarked for a future Palestinian state.

Even the invitation was a matter of contention. Palestinian negotiators said the Palestinian Authority assented to a joint statement by the so-called Quartet, not a U.S. invitation. The Quartet of Middle East peacemakers — the U.S., Britain, the European Union and Russia — issued a call for direct talks that included the Palestinian's right to a two-state solution largely based on 1967 borders. Israel, on the other hand, didn't respond to the Quartet, but to Clinton's statement, which included no caveats or conditions.

Many in the foreign diplomatic community in Jerusalem say the two sides are as far apart as ever and doubt the U.S. can meet the current deadline set by Clinton of one year for an agreement.

Yaakov Edri, a member of the centrist Kadima party in the Israeli Knesset, or legislature, summed up the low expectations, telling Israeli reporters: "Both sides are already preparing their alibis as to why the talks will blow up."

However, Yigal Palmor, the Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, told McClatchy the U.S. is looking for "creative" solutions to many of these problems, including a way to meet the Palestinian demands for an ongoing settlement freeze, while giving Netanyahu space to navigate his largely conservative, pro-settlement coalition.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat was adamant when he told reporters Monday that "if Israel resumes settlement activities in the Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem, we cannot continue negotiations." He added, however, that reaching a peace deal was "doable."

"We are not starting from the beginning, from scratch," he said, referring to previous positions reached in the peace talks Israeli and Palestinian leaders have been holding for nearly two decades.

P.J. Crowley, the U.S. State Department spokesman, told reporters in Washington that the U.S. is aware of the issues lying in the way of the negotiations.

"We are very mindful of the Palestinian position, and once we are into direct negotiations we expect that both parties will do everything within their power to create an environment for those negotiations to continue constructively," he said.

Crowley added that "once that negotiation starts, it will be incumbent upon both the Israelis and Palestinians to avoid steps that can complicate that negotiation."

While the Obama administration has put top priority on reaching a Mideast peace deal, neither the Israeli nor Palestinian governments have embraced recent efforts to move negotiations forward.

The Palestinian Fatah party, which rules the West Bank, has failed to set a new date for its own internal elections and been unable to reach reconciliation with Hamas officials who took over the Gaza Strip in June 2007.

Netanyahu also has faced internal threats to his coalition, which is largely dominated by right-wing religious parties who support the settlers' movement. If Netanyahu were to continue the current settlement moratorium, lawmakers from within his own party have threatened to bring down the government.

Israeli Cabinet member Dan Meridor told Israeli television Monday that Netanyahu is quietly seeking to reach a compromise with the assistance of the U.S.

"There is no logic in building in territory intended for the Palestinian state," he said. "By the same reason, there is no logic not to build in territories that will be inside Israel."

(Frenkel is a McClatchy special correspondent.)

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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 08:09 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Why am I not surprised? They always behave this way.

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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 08:25 am
Abbas threatens to end talks unless Israel extends the freeze on settlement construction. Keep in mind that over 20 percent of the population of Israel is Palestinian, while only 10 percent of the population of Palestine is Israeli.

But what will Palestine give in return for the freeze? Probably nothing; certainly not recognition of the state of Israel, or a promise to drop the demand for the return of Palestinians to Israel.

Now, Washington is pressing Israel to unilaterally extend the freeze and, should Israel decline this, saying that Washington may expand its relations with Palestine.

See http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/world/middleeast/01mideast.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Oct, 2010 08:55 am
Here is a good piece relative to the lack of reciprocity between the two entities. the Palestinians make demands without offering anything in return.



Israel must demand meaningful Arab gestures in exchange for building freeze
by Guy Bechor, September 28, 2010, Ynetnews

Both the Israeli and Palestinian leaderships don't want an agreement and cannot secure one. The suspicions are too existential, the leaderships are too weak, the hostility is too great, and Obama is too fragile. Everyone understands that the president's power shall be curbed within a month or so, after the US elections.


At the end of the day, it's a blame game: That is, who will be embarrassed and charged with the failure of these odd negotiations, which have no past and no future? Netanyahu was wrong to agree to a temporary construction freeze without getting anything in return. It's odd, as he was the one who coined the famous reciprocity slogan in the 1990s: If they give something, they'll get something in exchange; if they don't give it, they won't get it. Yet this time around he gave something, but got nothing for it.

Global leaders and the international and Israeli media are overjoyed: Netanyahu is in distress now and he will seemingly be blamed for the failure of the talks. However, it is so easy to resolve this temporary distress; after all, Netanyahu himself is the person who presented the formula in his first term in office.

The only thing that Israel needs to say is that it demands a parallel gesture from the Palestinian Authority and all Arab states, which stand behind Mahmoud Abbas and maneuver him.

Should an Arab gesture be granted, Israel would embark on another temporary freeze, yet if such gesture won't be granted, the construction freeze won't be extended. The Arab gesture would have to include a dimension of Arab symbolism, just like the freeze had a dimension of Israeli symbolism, and both these gestures must be temporary.

Summit in Jerusalem

A possible gesture is a festive summit that would see Jordan's King Abdullah, Egypt's President Mubarak, and Saudi King Abdullah arriving in Jerusalem. Why not? After all, this is a peace process, no? The Arab League, and especially Saudi Arabia, plays such dominant role in these talks, so how can they not meet? And what's wrong with Jerusalem? We already saw meetings in Egypt, Jordan, and Washington. Can't Arab leaders set foot in Israel?

An Arab gesture could also include elements of public normalization, or any symbolic recognition of Jewish nationalism. For example, inviting the Israeli prime minister to deliver a speech before the Arab League in Cairo. Why not? After all, we're in the midst of a peace process.

And what about the anti-Semitic TV shows from the recent Ramadan holiday? Are they also part of the "peace process?" And what about anti-Israeli Arab proposals at international bodies; isn't it time to withdraw them? Our Foreign Ministry can provide a long list of Arab proposals, which were prompted by the Palestinian Authority, of course. Another gesture could be to pass a Lebanese law that would grant Palestinians in Lebanon civil rights. I'm not talking about citizenship, heaven forbid, but the basic right to live and work there. Lebanon is the most vicious state towards the Palestinians and does not grant these miserable souls the right to buy an apartment or work, yet the Arab world is silent, of course. The life of Palestinians in Gaza is much better than that of their "transparent" brethren in Lebanon.

There is such wide spectrum of symbolic gestures that Arab states, or even the Arab League, should adopt—yet they won't be doing a thing. After all, they do not seek peace with Israel, but rather, they wish to weaken and embarrass it. Yet if they fail to undertake these gestures, they would take the blame. With their very conduct, the Arab sides would confirm that they do not seek peace.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2011 05:16 pm
From today's Guardian:
I wasn't sure which thread to post this to.
This seemed as good a place as any.:


Quote:
Secret papers reveal slow death of Middle East peace process

Massive new leak lifts lid on negotiations
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 23 January 2011 20.08 GMT
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Palestine papers reveal concessions by peace negotiators on areas like Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount The Palestine papers reveal the offer of concessions by Palestinian peace negotiators on areas such as the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount holy sites in Jerusalem. Photograph: Awad Awad/AFP/Getty Images

• PLO offered up key settlements in East Jerusalem
• Concessions made on refugees and Holy sites


The biggest leak of confidential documents in the history of the Middle East conflict has revealed that Palestinian negotiators secretly agreed to accept Israel's annexation of all but one of the settlements built illegally in occupied East Jerusalem. This unprecedented proposal was one of a string of concessions that will cause shockwaves among Palestinians and in the wider Arab world.

A cache of thousands of pages of confidential Palestinian records covering more than a decade of negotiations with Israel and the US has been obtained by al-Jazeera TV and shared exclusively with the Guardian. The papers provide an extraordinary and vivid insight into the disintegration of the 20-year peace process, which is now regarded as all but dead.


The documents – many of which will be published by the Guardian over the coming days – also reveal:

• The scale of confidential concessions offered by Palestinian negotiators, including on the highly sensitive issue of the right of return of Palestinian refugees.

• How Israeli leaders privately asked for some Arab citizens to be transferred to a new Palestinian state.

• The intimate level of covert co-operation between Israeli security forces and the Palestinian Authority.

• The central role of British intelligence in drawing up a secret plan to crush Hamas in the Palestinian territories.

• How Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders were privately tipped off about Israel's 2008-9 war in Gaza.

As well as the annexation of all East Jerusalem settlements except Har Homa, the Palestine papers show PLO leaders privately suggested swapping part of the flashpoint East Jerusalem Arab neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah for land elsewhere.

Most controversially, they also proposed a joint committee to take over the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount holy sites in Jerusalem's Old City – the neuralgic issue that helped sink the Camp David talks in 2000 after Yasser Arafat refused to concede sovereignty around the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa mosques.

The offers were made in 2008-9, in the wake of President George Bush's Annapolis conference, and were privately hailed by the chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, as giving Israel "the biggest Yerushalayim [the Hebrew name for Jerusalem] in history" in order to resolve the world's most intractable conflict. Israeli leaders, backed by the US government, said the offers were inadequate.

Intensive efforts to revive talks by the Obama administration foundered last year over Israel's refusal to extend a 10-month partial freeze on settlement construction. Prospects are now uncertain amid increasing speculation that a negotiated two-state solution to the conflict is no longer attainable – and fears of a new war.

Many of the 1,600 leaked documents – drawn up by PA officials and lawyers working for the British-funded PLO negotiations support unit and include extensive verbatim transcripts of private meetings – have been independently authenticated by the Guardian and corroborated by former participants in the talks and intelligence and diplomatic sources.

The Guardian's coverage is supplemented by WikiLeaks cables, emanating from the US consulate in Jerusalem and embassy in Tel Aviv. Israeli officials also kept their own records of the talks, which may differ from the confidential Palestinian accounts. ...<cont>


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/23/palestine-papers-expose-peace-concession
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