Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 01:46 pm
Hi!

Is it?

Thank you!
Mark...
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jgweed
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 02:08 pm
Only if nothing is nothing.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 02:16 pm
@mark noble,
Sometime Sun II
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 05:13 pm
these questions are beginning to sound a bit Dr Seuss-ish
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Arjuna
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 05:43 pm
@jgweed,
jgweed wrote:

Only if nothing is nothing.
love it, love it...

If there was no nothing, where would your eyes be when you're looking at everything?
chad3006
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 02:42 pm
That reminds me. Is a donut hole the nothing-part at the center of a donut or the little round thing you can eat?
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chad3006
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 02:48 pm
Also, I heard a good joke today: This guy’s with one arm is out fishin’ see? He casts his line, then tucks the handle under his arm, then uses the one hand to reel it back in. And this other guy comes up and asks him “Hey, can you catch any big fish that way?” The one armed guy says “Yeah, yesterday I caught one this big!”
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 03:13 pm
@mark noble,
mark noble wrote:

Hi!

Is it?

Thank you!
Mark...


I would be astonished it it were not. Or, indeed, if nothing were not nothing, or if anything were not anything, and so on. But, you may find it strange, but I don't think that business is business, or that war is war, although some people say so.
mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 05:07 pm
@kennethamy,
Hi Ken!

Of course war is war and business is business. How can something not be what it is?

Kind regards!
Mark...
Mentally Ill
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 06:15 pm
@mark noble,
Then what is the point of the original question? The answer is obviously yes.
Zetherin
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 06:15 pm
@mark noble,
Well, doesn't "business is business" mean that all business endeavors are equal? But they don't seem to be. Some may call selling cocaine, business. But I think many would consider this type of business dishonest, scummy, rotten, or evil in some way. Contrast this with a business that is honest and doesn't base its sales on selling illegal substances, and you may see how "business is business" appears to overgeneralize.

In the case of wars, it is often the case that one war is more justified than another, and so to say "war is war", seems to overlook that.

The peculiarity here is that of mistaking an abstract notion (like war or business) for a concrete, singular notion. Saying "The American Civil War is The American Civil War" is different from saying "war is war". This is because the former notion is concrete, and the latter notion is abstract.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 06:20 pm
some things are more than others
Mentally Ill
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 06:24 pm
@Mentally Ill,
I think that there is one universe. One existence. All things within the universe are divisions of the one. Like the infinite number of decimals between 0 and 1 on a timeline. Fractions whose sum is one.
No such thing as nothing, as all space is occupied by one form or another. Only everything. Only the universe, or whatever you'd like to call it. The Way, God, Space-Time, whatever. It is what it is.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 07:57 pm
@mark noble,
mark noble wrote:

Hi Ken!

Of course war is war and business is business. How can something not be what it is?

Kind regards!
Mark...


Not when people mean that anything goes in war, because winning is everything; or they mean, anything you do in business is fine, since making a profit is all that matters. Which is what people mean by, "war is war" and, "business is business". Otherwise, why would they say something trivial?
kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 08:05 pm
@Zetherin,
Zetherin wrote:

Well, doesn't "business is business" mean that all business endeavors are equal? But they don't seem to be. Some may call selling cocaine, business. But I think many would consider this type of business dishonest, scummy, rotten, or evil in some way. Contrast this with a business that is honest and doesn't base its sales on selling illegal substances, and you may see how "business is business" appears to overgeneralize.

In the case of wars, it is often the case that one war is more justified than another, and so to say "war is war", seems to overlook that.

The peculiarity here is that of mistaking an abstract notion (like war or business) for a concrete, singular notion. Saying "The American Civil War is The American Civil War" is different from saying "war is war". This is because the former notion is concrete, and the latter notion is abstract.


Yes, but I don't think it has much to do with the ideas of abstract and concrete. It has been said that, "The Holy Roman Empire" was neither holy, or roman, or an empire. Here, what is going on is that a name is also a description, and the description of what the name names is false.

The thing about "business is business" and "war is war" is that literally, those sentences are conversationally useless, because they are trivially true and there is no point in uttering them. So, they are put to use by giving them a non-literal meaning.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 08:06 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

some things are more than others


Well that is certainly true. A pound of cake weighs more than an ounce of cake.
mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 09:23 pm
@Zetherin,
Hi Zeth!

I can appreciate where you and Ken are coming from with this, but whether the business is illegal or honest it is still 'business'.

The same goes for war, I believe: The 'cod' war, The 'civil' war, The 'cold' war, etc. They are all war of one sort or another. Only the adjective that describes them actually seperates them.


Have a great day Zeth!
Mark...
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mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 09:29 pm
@Mentally Ill,
Hi MI!

I agree! This is more or less how I see it, although I would differ on the 'One existence' factor. I would go for 'one existence at a time'.

Just like to ask - Do you believe that any two things (physical things) QM included, can be identical, location included?

Thank you! You post well.
Have a great day!
Mark...
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mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 09:35 pm
@kennethamy,
Hi Ken!

You are applying variations to the facts here.

War is war, Cheese is cheese, nothing is nothing, Ken is Ken, pyramids are pyramids, etc.

Do we have to do this every few days or so?

On the subjective hand - "one man's war is another man's peace", but even then, what each individual labels it...it is.

A kangaroo cannot be a church - It is a kangaroo.

Kind regards Ken!
Mark...
mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 09:36 pm
@kennethamy,
Hi Ken!

Not in a vacuum.

Mark...
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