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What Chelsea Clinton's Wedding Says About Religious Syncretism

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2010 10:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Why the **** would you care?
You really are a petunia.
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2010 10:03 pm
@ossobuco,
It looked a bit shabby to me.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2010 10:05 pm
@Miller,
no doubt the point was to let Hillary have the show, lots of people have commented over the years that she is not very good looking, he just wanted to help her shine....you gotta problem with that??
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2010 10:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

no doubt the point was to let Hillary have the show..


Show? I wonder why her face was so puffy.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2010 10:08 pm
@Miller,
Quote:
Show? I wonder why her face was so puffy
the speculation is botched plastic surgery, but no one seems to know..
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2010 10:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Show? I wonder why her face was so puffy
the speculation is botched plastic surgery, but no one seems to know..


Could have been quickie cheek inserts that didn't take.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2010 10:57 pm
@ossobuco,
Sorry that I tried to answer seriously.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 07:49 am
@hawkeye10,
Are you a mind reader? Most people would interpret a couple, like Chelsea and Marc, who have been together for several years, as marrying because they have decided to start a family together.

I have noticed that young people seem to be taking longer to marry after several years together . . . whether living in the same domicile or apart . . . than they did in previous generations. Perhaps, these couples are more cautious and really want to know each other before committing to children. Perhaps, they feel marriage is unnecessary before they are ready to raise a family.

On the other hand, there has been an upsurge of couples having a baby then marrying.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 07:50 am
@ossobuco,
Apparently, what the groom wore is some indication of his readiness to be a father. At least, that is the sequence these guys set up!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 07:53 am
@Miller,
I once read a statement from a fashion designer that the black tux exists (here, the reference was not to a wedding but to the infamous red carpet) as a background, that the man is there in simple dark attire to help showcase the gown the woman he escorts wears.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 11:32 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

The significance of this interfaith marriage is that the children of such a marriage, according to Jewish Law, are not Jewish. If/when Ms. Clinton converts to Judaism the children would be considered to be Jewish.

Also interesting is the Law Of Return, when applied to interfaith marriages between a Jewish person and a gentile.

Quote:
The Law of Return declares that Israel constitutes a home not only for the inhabitants of the State, but also for all members of the Jewish people everywhere—be they living in poverty and fear of persecution or in affluence and safety.

The law gives the right of return to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).



I would think that there is only "significance of this interfaith marriage " when religion, and the religion of any children from the marriage, is important. Not everyone subscribes to such "significance." Some even downplay such "significance." I say these thoughts in context of this being the U.S. that has a long history of interfaith, and interethnic marriages. Not everyone finds the supposed ambiguity of interfaith, or any other "inter," problematic.

Some time way after we are all dead and buried, we may finally mix to the point of having an American ethnicity, and perhaps then we will all be the same faith, whatever that is. That could very well be a future reality, regardless of how many people today would bemoan that.

As Elvis said, "There's a whole lot of shaking going on."
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Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 11:44 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

My take is that religion is important to the husband, and that the wife is a religous tourist who cares about religion about as much as she does the flower arrangement, and for much the same reason.


Very true.

If the wife was sincere, wouldn't she have converted to Judaism?


I do not see why religion may be more important to a male, than a female, in a relationship?

And, if a Jewish male marries a non-Jewish female, obviously knowing that the children of that marriage will not be considered Jewish by Jewish tradition, then what does that say about the importance of his religion to that Jewish male? What I think it says is that it is none of my business, and only the business of that Jewish male.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 11:49 am
@Foofie,
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I do not see why religion may be more important to a male, than a female, in a relationship
He regularly attends his church, from what I can see she rarely/never does hers. Friends suspected that she might convert, said that there was zero chance that he would.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 12:20 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
If the wife was sincere, wouldn't she have converted to Judaism?


Her children still wouldn't be Jewish, so there wouldn't be much point.

They can be raised culturally Jewish, but they won't be Jewish.
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 12:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I do not see why religion may be more important to a male, than a female, in a relationship
He regularly attends his church, from what I can see she rarely/never does hers. Friends suspected that she might convert, said that there was zero chance that he would.


Jews go to synagogue. Churches are for Christians. Mosques are for Moslems. Libraries are for the literate. Playgrounds are for children. Bowling alleys are for bowlers.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 12:49 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
Jews go to synagogue
I am sorry for the offense. I have not known enough Jews to know that the terminology is a big deal.
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 12:59 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Miller wrote:
If the wife was sincere, wouldn't she have converted to Judaism?


Her children still wouldn't be Jewish, so there wouldn't be much point.

They can be raised culturally Jewish, but they won't be Jewish.


Nyet! If a woman converts by Orthodox standards to Judaism, her children are Jewish, since she is then Jewish by Orthodox standards.

If a woman converts by other standards of Judaism (Conservative, Reform), her children are only Jewish by the respective denominations, not by the Orthodox standards, which applies in Israel for purposes of a Jew getting Israeli citizenship, if he/she wants to emigrate.

But, being candid, I believe that when a Jew marries a non-Jew, much of the world considers any child "half Jew." What that means can differ, based on who is thinking it. The answer often, I believe, comes when that child chooses a mate in the future. If he/she marries a Jew, then the grandchildren are then Jewish by the world's thinking, I believe. If the child chooses a non-Jewish mate, then the grandchildren have joined "Gentile society."

Based on the level of anti-Semitism in a country historically, I believe, many Jews that married out saw that their children marry Jews, since the children were more accepted in the Jewish community, if they were raised in Jewish traditions. I suspect, that over two millenia, this resulted in many Jews with light eyes, blond hair, and other assorted non-Semitic features. Elvis was correct, I believe, when he said, "There's a whole lot of shakin' going on."
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 01:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Jews go to synagogue
I am sorry for the offense. I have not known enough Jews to know that the terminology is a big deal.


No offense taken. You cannot be faulted for living in a culture that is "plain vanilla Gentile." That is America.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 01:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
no doubt the point was to let Hillary have the show, lots of people have commented over the years that she is not very good looking, he just wanted to help her shine....you gotta problem with that??


who are you talking about here, hillary or chelsea?

once chelsea got out of her awkward teenage years i found her strangely attractive, but then i like the odd girls sometimes
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2010 02:28 pm

I 've always liked Hillary 's looks.





David
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