Why there are so many losers?

kennethamy wrote:

Khethil wrote:

djjd62 wrote:

former philo forum members are so literal?

Nah, not all of us.

My philosophical background lies mainly on ethics and epistemology. You'll find that those from the logic side are like this more often. Ken's observation is legitimate. But since no one can phrase everything perfectly, so is the advice to just roll with it.

No one can (it is true) phrase everything perfectly. But some can phrase what they say so that what they say does not imply exactly the opposite of what they intend.

I think djjd62 is trying to make it clear that you should not be using so much effort to dissect a joke. Whether this was perfectly phrased or not, is irrelevant. It's composed for sake of humor, not argument.

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failures art wrote:

kennethamy wrote:

Khethil wrote:

djjd62 wrote:

former philo forum members are so literal?

Nah, not all of us.

My philosophical background lies mainly on ethics and epistemology. You'll find that those from the logic side are like this more often. Ken's observation is legitimate. But since no one can phrase everything perfectly, so is the advice to just roll with it.

No one can (it is true) phrase everything perfectly. But some can phrase what they say so that what they say does not imply exactly the opposite of what they intend.

I think djjd62 is trying to make it clear that you should not be using so much effort to dissect a joke. Whether this was perfectly phrased or not, is irrelevant. It's composed for sake of humor, not argument.

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It was a joke? Why do you think that? Simply because (as I pointed out) it was not true? Are all false statements not really false because they are jokes? And why would he make a joke that implied exactly what he thought was false?

There is no need to analyze every statement (especially if it was uttered by djjd).

There is no need to analyze every statement (especially if it was uttered by djjd).

There is no need to analyze every statement (especially if it was uttered by djjd).

Out of curiousity, does your username represent two people: kenneth and amy?

i didn't say the opposite of what i wanted to say

i was saying i'd rather hang out with the losers (poor folk according to the conversation) than the winners (who i guess would be the privileged for this discussion)

and i used some song lyrics to explain it

i mean this whole post is predicated on the fact that losers are poor people, a stand i find ridiculous enough not to be overly serious in my responses

djjd62 wrote:

i didn't say the opposite of what i wanted to say

i was saying i'd rather hang out with the losers (poor folk according to the conversation) than the winners (who i guess would be the privileged for this discussion)

and i used some song lyrics to explain it

i mean this whole post is predicated on the fact that losers are poor people, a stand i find ridiculous enough not to be overly serious in my responses

The post never said that all losers are poor people. And that you are happy to hang out with poor people does have anything to do with whether or not they are losers.

the reason so many people are losers( ie: poor)...

i didn't say the opposite of what i wanted to say

i was saying i'd rather hang out with the losers (poor folk according to the conversation) than the winners (who i guess would be the privileged for this discussion)

and i used some song lyrics to explain it

i mean this whole post is predicated on the fact that losers are poor people, a stand i find ridiculous enough not to be overly serious in my responses

Ken is demonstrating the use of critical thinking, it is a skill that is quite indespensible if you wish to practice philosophy, in a philosophy thread.

wayne wrote:

Ken is demonstrating the use of critical thinking, it is a skill that is quite indespensible if you wish to practice philosophy, in a philosophy thread.

well as i explained, my philosophical training took place in the late 70's and early 80's, i studied at the feet of such renowned instructors as pot, mushrooms and a few psychedelics, a much less stringent group of thinkers than the ones most of you follow, more relaxed in their approach

as the four wise men said

Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream,
It is not dying, it is not dying

Lay down all thought, surrender to the void,
Is it shining? Is it shining?

That you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being

Love is all and love is everyone
Is it knowing? Is it knowing?

That ignorance and hate may mourn the dead
It is believing, it is believing

But listen to the colour of your dreams
Is it not living, is it not living

Or play the game existence to the end
Of the beginning, of the beginning

I've practiced it myself.
When dealing with k/a it helps to remember that he mostly uses analytic philosophy, which can be quite frustrating at times.

wayne said that, not me, i don't care what someone believes i post based on what i believe or feel