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Mel Gibson, Racist, Sexist, and Violent--Has He Gone Too Far?

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 09:01 pm
@firefly,
But wait. Not from my childhood, but from what I have read at length, catholics took jews as crucifiers. This had a lot of import over time.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 09:58 pm
@ossobuco,
Oh yes, osso, regarding the Jews as "Christ killers" was very much a part of Catholicism, for millennia, until the Second Vatican Council, in 1965. And that had accounted for a great deal of anti-Semitism. In 1965, the Church declared that all Jews were not to be held responsible for the crucifixion, not those alive at the time, or those living now, and they formally decried any persecution of the Jews and any displays of anti-Semitism.

But, both Mel and Hutton Gibson reject the Second Vatican Council. Rolling Eyes

The issue of Mel Gibson's anti-Semitism surfaced before the release of his 2004 movie, "The Passion of the Christ", when many Jewish groups protested the film, fearing that Gibson's portrayal of the Jews in the film would unleash a new wave of public anti-Semitism. At that time they also made accusations about Gibson's own anti-Semitism, which he, of course, denied. After Gibson's anti-Semitic rant in the police station in 2006, I'm sure that they felt they were proven right.

So, I'm sure some degree of anti-Semitism was part of Gibson's Catholic education as he was growing up, but I have a feeling it was also influenced and reinforced by his father, who has rather extremist views.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 10:07 pm
@firefly,
I was a fan back then, of the changes. I got over it, any of it - but I remember a lot of the precedents. But no, jews as christkillers were not part of my fairly wild immediate catholic background. I trust that I was lucky, but we were simply not all the same.

Of course I knew about people rejecting vatican two, including this putz and his father.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 10:10 pm
@firefly,
Why do you keep instructing me? I consider thirteen year olds as not capable of informed choice. I know a lot of history on the catholic church.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 10:35 pm
@ossobuco,
Well, hey. I like information. I'm not so good re instruction.

j
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 06:04 am
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 07:34 am
@ABE5177,
ABE5177 wrote:

and i still think you and yoru 2 girlfriends are lying through the teeth to bring down a good man and help your fellow russian golddigger line her pockets so see if I care


Mel? Is that you?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 09:50 am
@Gargamel,
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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aidan
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 10:14 am
@Gargamel,
Yeah - that was good...

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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ABE5177
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 02:59 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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How dare he call us liars! djjd62,
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I think you should carve up Abe's ass with your pirate knife
and defend the women of A2k from his slander.


Oh for the good old days when a man such as the former President Jackson would kill anyone who insulted his wife on the field of honor.

These being the good new days I expect that the fool who wrote
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I think you should carve up Abe's ass with your pirate knife
gets to know firesthand what he I guess she is talki]g about, some new fashion in womens' porn tastes
http://www.365gay.com/blog/093009-rape-should-not-be-retribution-for-violence/
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Could be “prison as fantasy” is so ubiquitous in gay male porn that it seeps into our consciousness. I do not know the reason, but hoping a odious human being is raped is a sick wish.


you dont know prisons eiteher, billy boy, is that right?
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would kill anyone who insulted his wife on the field of honor.

how bout your own jailmate bitch, wanna address that one?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 03:10 pm
@ABE5177,
Your tags make for curious reading.

Hit-And-Run Hispanic, Hit-And-Run Illegal Mexicans, Drug Dealers, Criminal Hispanics, Crackpot, White Trash, Freakoid, Mexican Gangs, Illegal Mexicans
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 03:14 pm
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

Your tags make for curious reading.

Hit-And-Run Hispanic, Hit-And-Run Illegal Mexicans, Drug Dealers, Criminal Hispanics, Crackpot, White Trash, Freakoid, Mexican Gangs, Illegal Mexicans
Shocked
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 09:09 pm
And the plot thickens...

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Secret Mel Gibson Text Message May Prove Extortion
By Allison Hope
July 21, 2010

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - After the disturbing Mel Gibson audio tapes became public earlier this month, Oksana Grigorieva sent a text to the actor explaining why she'd surreptitiously recorded their conversations, the Hollywood Reporter has learned.

According to a source familiar with the case, Grigorieva writes in the text that the reason she recorded him was because "you broke your agreement with me."

The source says additional emails will likely be used by Gibson's attorneys to prove that Grigorieva attempted to use the audio tapes to extort money from Gibson. The source adds that Grigorieva was also upset about the breakup and was looking to reconcile.

The Los Angeles County sheriff's department on Wednesday confirmed it is investigating Grigorieva.

Based on sealed court documents reviewed by The Hollywood Reporter, it also appears that Grigorieva's family law attorney, Manley Freid, hasn't been helping her cause.

At a June 22 court hearing, the judge sharply criticized Freid for obtaining a temporary restraining order the day before for his client, specifically noting Grigorieva's failure to tell the court about a previous $15 million settlement agreement between herself and Gibson.

"(Her lawyer) did something truly remarkable," notes a source close to the case. "He did not disclose to the court that there was a settlement agreement between Oksana and Mel."

"Manley Freid's strategy accomplished nothing," says a source close to the case. "It's all out there now. They pressed the nuclear button and Gibson is still basically standing. There's zero upside for Grigorieva in terms of money, custody and visitation."

In other words, her whole strategy may have backfired.

Steve Jaffe, a spokesman for Grigorieva, had no comment. Gibson's rep had no comment; his attorney could not be reached.

The actual transcript from the June 22 court proceedings, reviewed in its entirety by The Hollywood Reporter and excerpted below, reveals that the judge admonished Freid for his failure to inform him about the custody agreement reached between Grigorieva and Gibson.

Judge Gordon: (addressing Manley Freid) at the June 22 court hearing:

"My question for you is this. Why wasn't I told about this agreement in connection with the request for a temporary restraining order? Mr. Kolodny (Gibson's Counsel) is exactly correct. Had I known the parties had an agreement, I may not have issued the order the way I did; and I find it very troubling that someone comes in, without notice to the other side, represents facts to me, including the fact this woman is so afraid of Mr. Gibson that she needs immediate protection, even though by -- based on her declaration, it's clear that nothing happened for a few months.

"The things that happened were so horrible and it was quite understandable to me that she finally came to the conclusion that she needed a restraining order, even though the bad stuff happened in February.

"But no one then told me there had been this intervening agreement about the child, and I'm really quite troubled by that. "

Freid then unsuccessfully attempted to persuade the court that the settlement document was irrelevant because Grigorieva entered into the agreement because of false representations and without the advice of a family law attorney:

"She entered into that document because of false misrepresentations to her; that she was misadvised...."

Judge Gordon responded that not only was he troubled by Freid's failure to inform him of the previous settlement agreement, but he found the lawyer's arguments "disingenuous at best" and "very disturbing."

The judge then proceeded to deny Freid's motions and to order the tape recordings of Gibson sealed.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=11222951
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 11:51 pm
@firefly,
Mel's an arsehole...but I completely do not agree with private business (like the tapes) becoming public unless there is some clear issue that makes public exposure more important than privacy.

I don't see anything here that justifies it.

How DID they become public, by the way?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:41 am

I have no idea Y nor how,
but I infer that Mel Gibson has been carrying around a lot of anger,
ergo his mindless anti-Jewish rant when he was arrested for DWI
and now this. Many people 'd say that he has a beautiful life.

He is obviously not enjoying the potential thereof.
I have a hunch that he is oblivious to it.
Its very sad.

I think that he needs to get that anger out of him.

(SAFELY.)





David
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:08 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I hope Mel doesn't carry a gun!
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:12 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
How DID they become public, by the way?


she taped and released them, and some experts are saying they are highly edited in her favour

Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:27 am
@djjd62,
It does seem highly suspect. It is also reported that she turned down a million bucks to not release them.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 11:16 am
@Intrepid,
They don't know who released the tapes. They could haul radaronline.com into court and find out who gave them the tapes. They are the ones who made the tapes public.

And the info about the girlfriend's possibly trying to extort money from Mel, in exchange for not releasing the tapes, is also being leaked. Sealed court documents are also being leaked.

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Based on sealed court documents reviewed by The Hollywood Reporter, it also appears that Grigorieva's family law attorney, Manley Freid, hasn't been helping her cause.


Mel does have a gun, and she alleges he pointed it at her and threatened to kill her.

But all this stuff, we heard on the tapes, went on last January. Why did she hang around? If she was so afraid of him, why didn't she try to go away someplace where he wouldn't find her? Instead she was photograped on the red carpet with him. This story doesn't entirely make sense. At some point, much more recently, in May, she and Gibson apparently reached some kind of agreement, but her lawyer never told the judge that. Now the judge feels like he's being misled. This will all backfire on the girlfriend and her lawyer.

I think it was allegedly more like $15 million she turned down not to release the tapes.
No wonder he called her a gold digger, she is one.

Here is the photo of Oksana after Mel allegedly hit her and damaged her tooth veneers.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/world-exclusive-photo-oksana-after-she-says-mel-gibson-punched-her-mouth

The veneers are damaged, but her face and mouth don't look otherwise bruised, and she claims he hit her in the mouth.



OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 11:30 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:
I hope Mel doesn't carry a gun!
Oxanna alleges that he slugged her, not that he shot her.
 

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