Copyright Infringement

So funny.
If I make and sell car parts for a living, Ripper is willing to pay me for them.
If I make and sell copies of my song for a living, he is not willing.

Joe(clearly something missing here)Nation

If I view some bit of art for free it shouldn't be a crime.

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If I view some bit of art for free it shouldn't be a crime.

Why not? Suppose you are at the county fair and the artist Lola the Tattooed Lady has a small tent set up for people to come look at her charms for a price of admission. You decide that all you want is a short peek from under the side of the tent, should you be allowed to do that? Afterall, you haven't taken any of her tattoos with you simply by ogling her from the prone position with your head shoved under the canvas, right?

But, given what you have said here about such things, I imagine you would be fairly put out if you were nabbed by the carny boss and put out of the fair. heh heh. But, wait, there's more.

Carnivals International, the company who puts on the fair and represents Ms Lola, has you arrested by the local police for trespassing and theft of services. Now, bad boy, whatcha gonna do?
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First, I should put out that if Ms. Lola took a shine to you before her show (maybe she saw just how ripped the Ripper is) and she took you backstage and opened her robe to reveal her um, collection, that would be a free gift, not a crime, but such actions still have to be under the control and purview of the artist, not the consumer, you.
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Clearly, and it really is clear, you've trespassed and committed theft. The fine is $200 and court costs of $150. Pay the clerk.

BTW, Ms. Lola and Carnivals International get none of that, to recover the sawbuck you were supposed to pay, they'd have to sue you in Small Claims Courts for agreeing to and violating the implied contract between you and Carnivals Int. wherein admission to the Fair Grounds is free but admission to the "special events and acts" requires a fee.

Please explain where you see the injustice in all this? Who is being treated unfairly? You?

How?
I'm really interested in how you see this.

BTW: I paid the money and Ms. Lola......unggg
Joe(spectacular!)Nation

roger wrote:

Same answer as for any other kind of theft.

How is copyright infringement theft? If I steal your car, you can't use it anymore. If I make an exact copy of your car, your car hasn't been stolen because you can still use it.

Night Ripper wrote:

roger wrote:

Same answer as for any other kind of theft.

How is copyright infringement theft? If I steal your car, you can't use it anymore. If I make an exact copy of your car, your car hasn't been stolen because you can still use it.

Actually if you make an exact copy of my car you have violated the patent rights of the car's manufacturer. It has nothing to do with the end user at that point.

Copying music you don't have the rights to is NOT the same thing as stealing my CD or stealing my car.

Building a car with replacement parts is NOT the same thing as copying music since you BUY all the replacement parts. I would have no problem with you buying all the individual notes from the copyright holder to build the song yourself anymore than I have a problem with you buying all the auto parts from the manufacturer to build your own car.

If I view some bit of art for free it shouldn't be a crime.

I don't think it is always a crime. There's some murky 'fair use' laws attached to copyright. I'm never sure what to make of them, so I pretty much wing it and hope for the best. I don't download torrent stuff...music or movies, as I think that's clearly stealing (not sure if that's what you're proposing doing, though).

I'm arguing against all form of intellectual property rights so holding up patents as a defense of copyright is pointless. They both deserve to be done away with.

I download something, nothing changes. How is that stealing?

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I'm arguing against all form of intellectual property rights so holding up patents as a defense of copyright is pointless. They both deserve to be done away with.

That is a silly argument since without a means to profit from an idea, no one would ever produce anything based on new ideas.

Vivaldi, Bach, Shakespeare, Chaucer, Botticelli, da Vinci...

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Vivaldi, Bach, Shakespeare, Chaucer, Botticelli, da Vinci...

Yeah and they ALL profited from their works. They were PAID to do them.

You are arguing that people should NOT be paid .

Do you think I'm arguing that I should be able to steal the Mona Lisa? I'm not. I'm arguing that I should be able to make copies of it freely.

luckily for you, you don't have to understand why it's theft, you just have to understand that it is theft

Night Ripper wrote:

Do you think I'm arguing that I should be able to steal the Mona Lisa? I'm not. I'm arguing that I should be able to make copies of it freely.

You can, the Mona Lisa is well out of copyright.

ehBeth wrote:

luckily for you, you don't have to understand why it's theft, you just have to understand that it is theft

The FBI might be able to help him with that lol.

This is a forum for rational discussion, not threats.

I just don't think I should be forced to do so at gunpoint.

Night Ripper wrote:

This is a forum for rational discussion, not threats.

Night Ripper wrote:

I just don't think I should be forced to do so at gunpoint.

Rational, you say?