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Why Race?

 
 
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 12:41 pm
@maporsche,
I know you didn't ask me but....

maporsche wrote:
You still think I'm a racist too?


I don't, but sometimes it seems like you have a weird chip on your shoulder about it to me. Like an anti-anti-racism that isn't driven by racism itself, but inordinate annoyance with accusations of racism.

I'm curious why it bothers you to that degree. In hawkeye's case I think he actually has an underlying issue with black people (his comments on some other threads deliberately went out of their way to portray black people as unintelligent and in a deliberately provocative way) but that's not my read on you.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 02:29 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:
In hawkeye's case I think he actually has an underlying issue with black people (his comments on some other threads deliberately went out of their way to portray black people as unintelligent and in a deliberately provocative way) but that's not my read on you.
I have an underlying issue with people who dont contribute their share to the collective, especially those who don't even try, and especially those who also whine that the collective is not doing enough for them. Often times this describes blacks, but the fact that they are black has nothing to do with it for me, though it does for them.....not my ******* problem....
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 02:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
Sounds a lot like communism or socialism to me with some racism thrown in.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 02:38 pm
@Intrepid,
I am a socialist who does not accept race as an excuse for not trying to do what you can for the collective, or for yourself.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 02:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
In other words, you are not able to function on your own without the "collective". Sounds as if you use race the same way that the slave traders did. Do you think the lash should be used for these non conforming members of a different race?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 02:46 pm
@Intrepid,
Quote:

In other words, you are not able to function on your own without the "collective
no, and neither are you, but you like other people might be very good at fooling yourself into believing that you are.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 04:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
You admit as much. I do not since it is not true for me. You seem to think that anybody who does not agree with you are fooling themselves; don't understand; etc. etc. etc.

Fortunately, we are not all like you.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 09:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The problem that I speak of about is not really a racial issue, it is one of a society that has gotten fat and lazy and where many no longer are educated enough to know what leads to a happy/successful life. There are huge numbers of white people who are just as bad as lower class blacks for instance, I guess we are calling them "white trash"...those who want want want but who have never bothered to get educated and who are none too interested in hard work either...

**** them.


You certainly have a way with words.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 09:12 pm
@JTT,
There was a time when I lived and worked in the city of Detroit. I had to take a bus for a short time. Whether this was when I had tire problems or during one of the periods when my car was stolen, I no longer remember. I was, however, painfully aware of being the only white person on the city bus. There was never any comment, however, just a feeling of being alone.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2010 09:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I have an underlying issue with people who dont contribute their share to the collective, especially those who don't even try, and especially those who also whine that the collective is not doing enough for them. Often times this describes blacks, but the fact that they are black has nothing to do with it for me, though it does for them.....not my ******* problem....


What authority do you have to define what people ought to contribute to whatever you think the collective is?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 01:14 am
@plainoldme,
Quote:
What authority do you have to define what people ought to contribute to whatever you think the collective is
the what you contribute is up to you, the only imperative is that you contribute something of value to the best of your ability. If you are not willing to do that then your peers should be willing to let you rot in hell....thus would be justice.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 01:21 am
@Intrepid,
Quote:
Fortunately, we are not all like you.
I have certainly found that to be true, and it is annoying. Once upon a time you could count on people to have an opinion, and to be willing to voice it. No more. Maybe they are too scared that if they say what they think they will be jammed up, could never be a Supreme Court Justice for instance. Or maybe many people no longer have a self which can speak, having been brought up in an age where the private has mostly disappeared and where people are connected through technology to others 24/7. IDK, but it is getting damn hard to compare notes when so many people are mute.
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failures art
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 01:22 am
@hawkeye10,
The cosmic irony will be the day you realize your mediocrity and how your preaching has damned yourself.

A
R
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 01:26 am
@failures art,
Quote:

The cosmic irony will be the day you realize your mediocrity and how your preaching has damned yourself
Or alternately, maybe you are using the wrong yardsticks. What are called the best and the brightest have pretty much fucked up this country and this society, I have no idea where you get your confidence that you yourself have not been mislabeled along with all of the others.
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 01:43 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:

The cosmic irony will be the day you realize your mediocrity and how your preaching has damned yourself
Or alternately, maybe you are using the wrong yardsticks. What are called the best and the brightest have pretty much fucked up this country and this society, I have no idea where you get your confidence that you yourself have not been mislabeled along with all of the others.

The last man who told me I had the wrong yardstick ended up eating his words. He said I was not college material, and that I had a two foot yardstick. Upon graduation, I delivered to him, a two foot yardstick. I simply smiled and told him to never tell another student that again, while he sat silent and sneered at me bitterly.

You're right, I have been labeled wrong. Just not in the way you meant.

A
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 01:56 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
What authority do you have to define what people ought to contribute to whatever you think the collective is
the what you contribute is up to you, the only imperative is that you contribute something of value to the best of your ability. If you are not willing to do that then your peers should be willing to let you rot in hell....thus would be justice.


Sounds like you have been brainwashed by that "collective" of yours
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 06:25 am
@hawkeye10,
But you hold it to yourself to judge what is a sufficient "contribution" from others. You assume this loose-lipped and self-centered position without defining a standard. In other words, you are playing god. Here, you seem to be saying that if there is some impediment to your contribution, then society is to turn its back on you.

Somehow, you seem to know what 'contribution' is appropriate for each individual. What if the contribution of a person is that s/he is an excellent parent and can raise children who will become remarkable citizens? What if a person actually likes working in retail and despite having specific training in a field considered more socially valuable, choses to work in retail? What if some is a musician and never becomes a national figure but toils away as lounge performer or wedding singer or member of community symphonies throughout his/her life?

Are you to judge them? Should you assign them to life of penury? What if, after the death of all of these people, hundreds come forth to say that the children and grandchildren of the parent discovered scientific breakthoughs or created significant public policy? Or that the sales clerk just made a few minutes better for people for years or that the performer had a substantial fan base?

Life is full of intangibles. The worth of an individual may not be measurable until after s/he is dead.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 06:30 am
Intrepid and Failures Art both win in this round while hawkeye goes down in flames.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 11:50 am
@plainoldme,
Quote:
Intrepid and Failures Art both win in this round while hawkeye goes down in flames.
Crashing and burning would require my approach to not work in real life. I have found the opposite to be true.
 

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