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Ten questions about race

 
 
nimh
 
Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 01:16 pm
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Mame
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 01:29 pm
I answered B to everything and since we don't have many Blacks here, I substituted other minorities.
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hanno
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 12:26 am
Mame wrote:
I answered B to everything and since we don't have many Blacks here, I substituted other minorities.


How cosmopolitan.

I had 4-A's #s 1, 4, 5, & 6 and I'm for McCain. It's strange - someone could be screwing with it, one of these self-appointed gadflies that can dish it out but don't like to take it - but assuming otherwise, the racialists are for Hilly & Barack and the true egalitarians such as my trusty self are the only ones for JSM. No idea which, but I mean, either way it explains why this forum's got it in for the only one in the race that TCB'd for for the USA outside of furnished architecture.
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Bohne
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 05:50 am
I had four A's also.

I used to have a black boyfriend.
Whenever anything went wrong, it was because of racism.
The fact that he could not hold on to a job was NEVER due to his unpunctuality and arrogance.
His brother (also black, obviously) held a management job, apparently without any discrimination problems.

I think there is still discrimination, no doubt, but I think in some cases that I know, racism is too easily used as an excuse for everything.

I think a black American President would be awesome, though!
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 06:09 am
I agree with you Bohne, I had 3 or 4 A's (can't remember, took the poll last night), but I didn't answer with A's directed at any group of people, but at a system that has contributed to this feeling of entitlement.

Something goes wrong? It's because of my race or gender.

Do less qualified people get hired/admitted to meet quotas? Definately.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 06:15 am
No A's.

I did pause over question #6 -- neither is exactly right, indeed.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 06:19 am
The survey is heavily stacked by the language used, and the lack of choices outside the linguistic ankle traps. However, i fit in the category of those who answered "A" twice. Whom i will vote for is nobody's damned business but mine.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 03:55 pm
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Whom i will vote for is nobody's damned business but mine.


Yea; Setanta, but we really wanna know; least I am curious.

Anyway on the poll, for me; A for first question, don't really know the answer to the second and third question; b for fourth question; b for fifth question; not sure on sixth question as things have changed but not all attidudes; a for the seventh question; b for eighth question; b for nineth question; b for tenth question.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 04:14 pm
2.5 As. Toss a coin on #6 to make it 2 or 3.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 04:20 pm
A on 1 and 4. Don't particularly care for any of the candidates on offer.



On threat of death if I didn't vote for one of them, I'd go with Obama, but I'd be gritting and grinding my teeth.
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 04:26 pm
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 05:07 pm
Setanta wrote:
The survey is heavily stacked by the language used, and the lack of choices outside the linguistic ankle traps. However, i fit in the category of those who answered "A" twice. Whom i will vote for is nobody's damned business but mine.


Come on Set. We all know for whom you are voting.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 06:33 pm
Largely, I voted like you did aidan.

I'm still trying to figure out why voting A on some of those questions was supposed to be a bad thing.

like set said, I think it was biased.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 10:07 pm
3 As, and voting for McCain.

Wait! ... I mean it's nobody's damn business whom I'm voting for.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 10:20 pm
Five As. Slighly favor Obama over Clinton, strongly favor him over McCain.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 10:35 pm
PS: I kind of resent the question in this poll, for two reasons:
  • It reduces racial problems in America to problems between whites and blacks. This doesn't even capture half of the phenomenon. When I moved to the US, one of my first and profoundest "Aha!" experiences was to discover the pronounced New Jersey subcultures of Mexicans, Indians, and Chinese, all of which are victims of prejudice by the same kinds of people who are also prejudiced against Blacks. Like so many contributions to the debate about racism, this one totally ignores all aspects of racism other than white vs. black.
  • The poll also annoys me by failing to differentiate between people who oppose quotas and preferences for Blacks and those who actively resent Blacks. There's an important difference between answering "A" to question 1 and answering "A" to question 10. The poll pays no attention to this difference.
I'm not impressed.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 10:38 pm
No offense, Nimh,

The wording of all the questions indicated a bias.

This is part of why politics is bullshit...

Nite
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aidan
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 03:18 am
I don't think there was any right or wrong answer to any of these questions- it was simply asked what you think- what is your opinion. How can that be right or wrong, unless you yourself insert bias or pressure on yourself to say what you think other people want you to say?

And Nimh said that he welcomed people to explain their answers which gave room to extend the boundaries and constraints the wording of the questions might impose.

As Thomas said - just because someone answers A to number one - that doesn't mean they're racist and don't like black people and want them to succeed. Maybe it means they believe in black people and know they can succeed without artificial or imposed 'help'.

Thomas - I think that this black/white issue in the United States IS an issue apart and unto itself in terms of how people think about it, whether they are black or white.

And unless you're talking about Native Americans when you say Indians (which I saw very, very few of growing up in NJ) this particular racial dichotomy and divide is the oldest and most enduring in our country. Maybe that's why people can't seem to get past or around it as an issue.

And for the purposes of this particular survey, it may also have something to do with the fact that for the first time in the history of our country there is a black man who is within realistic reach of the presidency.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 03:51 am
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I don't think there was any right or wrong answer to any of these questions- it was simply asked what you think- what is your opinion. How can that be right or wrong, unless you yourself insert bias or pressure on yourself to say what you think other people want you to say?


It displays an alarming amount of naivete to ask how simply asking a question can be biased in itself.
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aidan
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 04:00 am
snood wrote:
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I don't think there was any right or wrong answer to any of these questions- it was simply asked what you think- what is your opinion. How can that be right or wrong, unless you yourself insert bias or pressure on yourself to say what you think other people want you to say?


It displays an alarming amount of naivete to ask how simply asking a question can be biased in itself.


Yeah, well, there is that...I won't say I'm not naive- in that I believe I have the right to give my opinion and I extend that same right to others - even if their opinion is different from mine.

If someone is uncomfortable giving their opinion, based solely on what it happens to be, I believe it's because there's some other environmental or social or cultural factor at play.
I usually ask questions because I want to know the answer- and if it's an opinion- because I'm interested in that person's honest opinion.
I don't ask questions I think I already know the answer to- and I don't ask people for opinions unless I'm interested in that person's opinion- not what I think or hope it should be- I already know that.
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