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Evolution, a thread for carico so he can stop talking about it in other threads!

 
 
Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2009 03:27 pm
Evolution:

Is a change in allele frequency or simply put descent with modification


EVIDENCE:

-Endogenous retroviral remnants (ERV)
-Fused chromosomal evidence
-Phylogeny
-Neanderthal mtDNA
-Geographic Fossil relativity
-Fossil chronology
-Biological vestiges
-Physiology of Extant Fauna
-Transitional morphology
-Observed speciation





and what evidence is there against evolutionary biology?
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2009 03:31 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Oh, I forgot one...


-Ontogeny



feel free to discuss. But use logic and provide evidence.
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Carico
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2009 03:58 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;66628 wrote:
Evolution:

Is a change in allele frequency or simply put descent with modification


EVIDENCE:

-Endogenous retroviral remnants (ERV)
-Fused chromosomal evidence
-Phylogeny
-Neanderthal mtDNA
-Geographic Fossil relativity
-Fossil chronology
-Biological vestiges
-Physiology of Extant Fauna
-Transitional morphology
-Observed speciation





and what evidence is there against evolutionary biology?


There's evidence of little people in the world, namely dwarfs and midgets. By your "reasoning' that make "Lord of the Rings" true. :rollinglaugh: Sorry, but until you know why humans can't breed giraffes as descendants you'll never know why imaginary animals can't breed human descendants. :rollinglaugh:
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 02:12 am
@Carico,
Carico;66638 wrote:
There's evidence of little people in the world, namely dwarfs and midgets. By your "reasoning' that make "Lord of the Rings" true. :rollinglaugh: Sorry, but until you know why humans can't breed giraffes as descendants you'll never know why imaginary animals can't breed human descendants. :rollinglaugh:


Because, like all creationists, you miss the target (and your speed is WAY off). If you can't understand genetics, and its apparent you do not, you won't grasp the concept... only make up wild ideas that are in fact totally stupid.

I'd love you to show me where anyone thinks such a jump is possible.

Strawmen, you seem to rely on them.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 04:07 am
@Carico,
Carico;66638 wrote:
There's evidence of little people in the world, namely dwarfs and midgets. By your "reasoning' that make "Lord of the Rings" true. :rollinglaugh: Sorry, but until you know why humans can't breed giraffes as descendants you'll never know why imaginary animals can't breed human descendants. :rollinglaugh:


C'mon carico, you can do better than that.

You haven't even tried to refute any of the evidence I've presented. Why? Because you can't.


Even scientists can see how ridiculous the idea of giraffes becoming humans is, unfortunately that is not how evolution works, nor is any such indication made. No one believes giraffes came from humans or vice verse.
What you are doing is building a strawman. Making a strawman is when you misrepresent an opponents views to make it sound silly and then you attack these misrepresented views.





So one of two things is happening:

1. You are purposely misrepresenting evolution, and intentionally violating the straw man fallacy and being deceitful.

2. You don't actually have any understanding of what evolution is and how it works, and thus are incapable of putting up an intelligent rebuttal.


your call shooter.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 03:18 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
bump...
Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 06:35 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;66772 wrote:
bump...


Tumble weed time methinks.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 08:33 am
@Numpty,
What gets me is when a creo starts going on wild tangents like the "humans birthing giraffes" thing, claiming that because it isn't correct, evolutionary biology is invalidated.

The thing is, if those such things WERE true, evolutionary biology would be invalidated instantly. That would shatter just about every piece of biology knowledge we have acquired from as far as human history stretches.
Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 08:45 am
@Sabz5150,
Anyone there,...yooo hooo?

Told ya Carico. Go up against these two on something you know nothing about and you will end up looking like a plum.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 09:45 am
@Numpty,
Oh course he doesn't have any counter evidence, all carico has are talking points. As soon as we get to the meat of any factual discussion he suddenly becomes silent.

He still hasn't responded to my explanation on why it's impossible to fake a tyrannosaurus skull. And yet he still claims all prehistoric animals are imaginary despite the fact that you can go to any museum and see them for yourself.
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Carico
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 03:25 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;66655 wrote:
Because, like all creationists, you miss the target (and your speed is WAY off). If you can't understand genetics, and its apparent you do not, you won't grasp the concept... only make up wild ideas that are in fact totally stupid.

I'd love you to show me where anyone thinks such a jump is possible.

Strawmen, you seem to rely on them.


Do you know why humans can't breed; giraffes, monkeys, lions tigers or bears as descendants? :eek: Obviously not. :rollinglaugh: If you did, you'd understand why it's genetically impossible for monkeys, apes and especially imaginary animals to breed human descendants either. So it's you who doesn't understand genetics. Unbelievable. But knowledge and logic have never been a specialty of atheists. :rolleyes:
Carico
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 05:10 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;66628 wrote:
Evolution:

Is a change in allele frequency or simply put descent with modification


EVIDENCE:

-Endogenous retroviral remnants (ERV)
-Fused chromosomal evidence
-Phylogeny
-Neanderthal mtDNA
-Geographic Fossil relativity
-Fossil chronology
-Biological vestiges
-Physiology of Extant Fauna
-Transitional morphology
-Observed speciation





and what evidence is there against evolutionary biology?


Sorry but one cannot prove that one species can turn into another without actually seeing it happen. So looking at an elephant and claiming it used to be a giraffe is called illogical speculation, not science. Very Happy

Interpreting fossils is as subjective as interpreting contemporary artwork. Wink

Since there's no way to tell where the skulls and bones they call Neanderthals came from, then their "DNA" could be a mixture of the DNA of many animal and human bones. Smile But one thing is certain; I saw a documentary on the History Channel called "Clash of the Cavemen." No, it wasn't produced by Stephen Spielberg, it was called a "factual documentary" about a Neanderthal woman who was abducted. :eek: Now how anyone knew whether or not a neanderthal woman was abducted is anybody's guess. But since the imagination is considered evidence in science, then this story fit right in. Wink

In the "documentary" scientists said they were surprised that the found NO Neanderthal DNA in humans. Unfortunately, for the world, the only ones who were surprised were scientists. But those of us who understand the birds and bees sense weren't surprised at all. Wink

So all you do is blindly believe anything you read in a science book without ever questioning or challenging it. that's called being brainwashed.Wink
Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 08:49 pm
@Carico,
Carico;66848 wrote:
Sorry but one cannot prove that one species can turn into another without actually seeing it happen. So looking at an elephant and claiming it used to be a giraffe is called illogical speculation, not science. Very Happy

Interpreting fossils is as subjective as interpreting contemporary artwork. Wink

Since there's no way to tell where the skulls and bones they call Neanderthals came from, then their "DNA" could be a mixture of the DNA of many animal and human bones. Smile But one thing is certain; I saw a documentary on the History Channel called "Clash of the Cavemen." No, it wasn't produced by Stephen Spielberg, it was called a "factual documentary" about a Neanderthal woman who was abducted. :eek: Now how anyone knew whether or not a neanderthal woman was abducted is anybody's guess. But since the imagination is considered evidence in science, then this story fit right in. Wink

In the "documentary" scientists said they were surprised that the found NO Neanderthal DNA in humans. Unfortunately, for the world, the only ones who were surprised were scientists. But those of us who understand the birds and bees sense weren't surprised at all. Wink

So all you do is blindly believe anything you read in a science book without ever questioning or challenging it. that's called being brainwashed.Wink


Show me the text where it says an elephant used to be a giraffe?
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 11:26 pm
@Carico,
Carico;66842 wrote:
Do you know why humans can't breed; giraffes, monkeys, lions tigers or bears as descendants? :eek: Obviously not. :rollinglaugh:


Because they don't even share an order? Could it be that?

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If you did, you'd understand why it's genetically impossible for monkeys, apes and especially imaginary animals to breed human descendants either.


So why does our number two chromosome contain the genetic code found in two of the chromosomes in the great apes? Why does it contain vestigal telomeres and centromere, showing that it was at one time two separate chromosomes?

Why, given this information, do humans have 23 chromosomes and the great apes have 24?

Do + The + Math.

Technically and genetically, a human and great ape could produce an offspring. It would be sterile because the chromosomes offered by both parents don't line up properly. Such things are commonplace... ever heard of a mule? Same concept, same outcome, same reason. Donkeys have 62 pairs, horses have 64. They still produce offspring because (drumroll, please!) they are of common descent. Perhaps you're familiar with the liger? Again, same thing.

You're losing this one. Badly.

Quote:
So it's you who doesn't understand genetics. Unbelievable. But knowledge and logic have never been a specialty of atheists. :rolleyes:


Seeing that you completely missed the target, the lack of knowledge falls on you. Sorry, Charlie... try again.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 11:28 pm
@Carico,
Carico;66848 wrote:
Sorry but one cannot prove that one species can turn into another without actually seeing it happen. So looking at an elephant and claiming it used to be a giraffe is called illogical speculation, not science. Very Happy


Such as the Kew Primrose or the Pacific Robin?

These were observed, by the way.

Looking at an elephant and saying it was a giraffe is proof that you don't know what you are talking about. Let me spell it out for you: Modern species are not going to produce other modern species.

Your scientific knowledge borderlines a twelve-year-old. Are you twelve years old?
Carico
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 12:20 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;66852 wrote:
Show me the text where it says an elephant used to be a giraffe?


That was as much a hypothetical as a human used to be...:dunno::rollinglaugh:
Carico
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 12:21 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;66864 wrote:
Such as the Kew Primrose or the Pacific Robin?

These were observed, by the way.

Looking at an elephant and saying it was a giraffe is proof that you don't know what you are talking about. Let me spell it out for you: Modern species are not going to produce other modern species.

Your scientific knowledge borderlines a twelve-year-old. Are you twelve years old?


Again, that's like saying "mutations happen" or "speciation happens" therefore, humans came from dogs. :rollinglaugh: You guys are so funny. :rollinglaugh: So by the reasoning of Darwinists, you've proven my thread; "Humans came from dogs" because...well...speciation happens. :rollinglaugh:
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 03:58 am
@Carico,
Carico;66868 wrote:
That was as much a hypothetical as a human used to be...:dunno::rollinglaugh:


No evidence, just conjecture. Figures.
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Carico
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 04:09 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;66863 wrote:
Because they don't even share an order? Could it be that?



So why does our number two chromosome contain the genetic code found in two of the chromosomes in the great apes? Why does it contain vestigal telomeres and centromere, showing that it was at one time two separate chromosomes?

Why, given this information, do humans have 23 chromosomes and the great apes have 24?

Do + The + Math.

Technically and genetically, a human and great ape could produce an offspring. It would be sterile because the chromosomes offered by both parents don't line up properly. Such things are commonplace... ever heard of a mule? Same concept, same outcome, same reason. Donkeys have 62 pairs, horses have 64. They still produce offspring because (drumroll, please!) they are of common descent. Perhaps you're familiar with the liger? Again, same thing.

You're losing this one. Badly.



Seeing that you completely missed the target, the lack of knowledge falls on you. Sorry, Charlie... try again.


Do you know why the genes and DNA of animals and humans are so similar? It's not because one can breed the other. Laughing But in their eagerness to deny God, scientists have come to the wrong conclusion based on observations which they do all the time because they never look at all sides of an issue, only what they want to see. :rolleyes: Here's why:

In order to live in the environment that God created, humans and animals both have to; breathe oxygen, eat food, drink water, reproduce and protect themselves. So they both have to have:

1) A brain
2) A heart
3) A nervous system
4) A circulatory system
5) A digestive system
6) A stomach
7) Intestines
8) An endocrine system
9) Limbs
10) eyes, ears, a nose and a mouth
11) Skin

And on and on and on and on. So of course the genes and DNA between animals will be much more similar than different! That does not mean that one can breed the other as descendants. :rolleyes:

But scientists are so arrogant that they think they can fit a square peg into a round hole just so they can claim to know better than God does. Laughing As a result, they avoid the simple obvious explanations and concoct imaginary scenarios that don't happen in reality. :rollinglaugh: They have no clue was reproduction means! It means that animals and humans reproduce themselves, not another species. Good grief. :rolleyes: Yes indeed, "The wisdom of the world is foolishness in God's sight." That it is. Wink
Carico
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 04:10 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;66863 wrote:
Because they don't even share an order? Could it be that?



So why does our number two chromosome contain the genetic code found in two of the chromosomes in the great apes? Why does it contain vestigal telomeres and centromere, showing that it was at one time two separate chromosomes?

Why, given this information, do humans have 23 chromosomes and the great apes have 24?

Do + The + Math.

Technically and genetically, a human and great ape could produce an offspring. It would be sterile because the chromosomes offered by both parents don't line up properly. Such things are commonplace... ever heard of a mule? Same concept, same outcome, same reason. Donkeys have 62 pairs, horses have 64. They still produce offspring because (drumroll, please!) they are of common descent. Perhaps you're familiar with the liger? Again, same thing.

You're losing this one. Badly.



Seeing that you completely missed the target, the lack of knowledge falls on you. Sorry, Charlie... try again.


Do you know why the genes and DNA of animals and humans are so similar? It's not because one can breed the other. :rolleyes: But in their eagerness to deny God, scientists have come to the wrong conclusion based on observations which they do all the time because they never look at all sides of an issue, only what they want to see. :rolleyes: Here's why:

In order to live in the environment that God created, humans and animals both have to; breathe oxygen, eat food, drink water, reproduce and protect themselves. So they both have to have:

1) A brain
2) A heart
3) A nervous system
4) A circulatory system
5) A digestive system
6) A stomach
7) Intestines
8) An endocrine system
9) Limbs
10) eyes, ears, a nose and a mouth
11) Skin

And on and on and on and on. So of course the genes and DNA between animals will be much more similar than different! That does not mean that one can breed the other as descendants. :rolleyes:

But scientists are so arrogant that they think they can fit a square peg into a round hole just so they can claim to know better than God does. Laughing As a result, they avoid the simple obvious explanations and concoct imaginary scenarios that don't happen in reality. :rollinglaugh: They have no clue was reproduction means! It means that animals and humans reproduce themselves, not another species. Good grief. :rolleyes: Yes indeed, "The wisdom of the world is foolishness in God's sight." That it is. Wink
 

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