@Fatal Freedoms,
Reply to Fatal Freedoms :
You assume that abstinence via masturbation is most effective (although you've provided no evidence or statistics) and you rationalize away my numerous studies by also assuming that the surveyors were lying (again, no evidence for this).
Ok. Statistics and studies are unreliable because all those who make them are members of a lie-based society. Even if they honestly believe that thier work is honest and real, it cannot be because they live the lie. They define "sex" as one out of billions of possible sex acts. They use terms such as "having sex" to promote Int-Sex (bee below), and define sex as often involving other persons.
A Truth-based definition of sex for humans is : "A unique, personal and solo experiance obtained by the stimulation of the sexual organs, that may result in pleasure and sexual climax".
A Truth-based definition of abstinence would be "To choose to refrain from experiencing sex in any of its forms".
Here is the point : The problems with sexual-intercourse between a male and female is (Will refer to as Int-Sex)
A) "unwanted" pregnancies.
B) Possibility of virus (HIV etc).
1) The risk of these is high with Int-Sex.
2) The risk of these is still there with Int-Sex using a condom.
3) There is a risk of (A) and (B) having Int-Sex with
intention to use condom because all intentions are based on the moment. Sooner or later, they are likely not to use the condom due to personal reasons etc.
4) By programming children that Int-Sex is somehow more "right" than masturbating (which is false), and promoting Int-Sex, society promotes this activity BOTH with and without the condom.
Masturbation : Chance of (A) or (B) is
zero.
Masturbation is, therefore, the
only safe form of sex available. No study or statistics are required.
Masturbation is a form of sex, the most Superior form of sex for humans.
Therefore masturbation is NOT a form of abstinence using Truth-based terminology.
This is one problem with those studies.
I made my stance post #1 and provided an accompanying article, if you had any dispute with post #1, then you need to provide counter evidence which you have not done.
The entire foundation of your argument if faulty, as it is not based on Truth.
Seer TT :"Consider this position: The best way to avoid "unprotected" sexual intercourse with a human female and unwanted pregnancies/deseases is to do the only thing that will give you the deseases/pregnancy? "
strawman. That's not at all what is being said.
I never said that anyone was saying that here. That is what society claims, and that deceit is reflected.
The best way to not have "unprotected sex" is to have "protected sex". What is so difficult to understand about that?
The problem here is that is wrong. The best way to avoid "unprotected sex" is to have the mental freedom to have solo sex indefinately, should you choose to do so.
Or like saying the best way to not eat unhealthy food is to eat healthy food, rather than abstaining from food entirely.
Yes, that is correct. As food as an analogy to sex, what society suggests is that you should still eat the unhealthy food, and then take ridiculous and artificial pills and use wrappers to prevent the absorbtion of the food.
let me guess...you?
Incorrect guess. Joseph Weintraub, "The Seer of Forbidden Truth".
Seer TT : "The problem is not with abstinace pledges per se, but with the minds of those who make them. Those minds that are bent by societal programming. "
So because one person can do it then everybody can?
No. Only Truth-embracing Superiors can have the wisdom, knowledge and mental strength to make such a choice. However, the solution society has is simply to allow it's citizen-slaves the Truth also.
Unless you can show me this is a viable and effective option for most or all teens then you have absolutely no argument, it's as simple as that.
It is not a viable reality for them, because society deliberatly strips them of thier natural Self-Love and ability to reognise and embrace Truth.
Okay, good evidence please!
Masturbation sex has zero chance of (A) and (B) as stated above.
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Obviously abstinence not involving masturbation cannot lead to any problem, either on it's own. Although it is factual that abstinence pledges usually fail, this is simply due to malevolent tricks on the mind used by society.
So we have to completely redesign society, for your position to have validity?
My position has the only validility, the Truth. You are correct that society would have to be destroyed or completely re-designed to ensure that masturbation-only was a chioce for the 99.99999% or so of inferiors.
However, since society is lie-based, any policy/ideal/reform etc aimed at reducing "unsafe sex" must also be lie-based, and therefore has no validility.
Studies show that promoting no-sex at all between youth actually increases pregnancies more than does promoting safe sex.
The problem here is that these studies are lie-based. Truth MUST be 100% pure. Sex is nothing to do with other people. These claims made by society that "you must do the thing to avoid it" are insane and ridiculous.
Of course, can't let something like facts get in the way of what you know is right!
It is because they are all the same in principal. If you had a study that the moon orbits the sun, that is false. It does not matter how many studies make the same claim. Even if it was true, it still does not matter.
Numbers of "opinions" do not, and cannot, make Truth.
P.S. Just to be sure, you do realise that I am not arguing that fact that most "abstinence pledges" (and I use those words together in THIER meaning) fail. They do fail. I agree. The reason WHY they fail is the issue.
The Truth is society has the power to stop nearly all Int-Sex problems, and chooses not to do so. However, that does NOT make those studies Truth-based. Refraining from Int-Sex indefinately would NOT fail if society was Truth-based.
