Dilema for Numpty as a parent

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This is a question to other parents who may or may not have faced a similar situation.

As most of you are aware I am an athiest and i do battle with the fundies on here all the time.

However my views on the subjects of evolution and the fact there is no God have been passed on to my daughter, she now no longer believes in God. And, as she likes to call herself is a 'Darwinist'. Personally I think this is great, though my wife (who is no believer in god either) thinks that she should be given a balanced view and allowed to make her own choice.

Obviously my entire way of thinking baulks at the idea, but as a parents should we not allow them know all aspects of a subject and make there own choices based on what they learn and how they interpet it?

Thoughts?

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@Numpty,

Let her make her own mind up,i was brought up a catholic and went to catholic school,i was also made go to mass until i put my foot down when i was about 18 Very Happy

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@Numpty,

Numpty;67892 wrote:

This is a question to other parents who may or may not have faced a similar situation.

As most of you are aware I am an athiest and i do battle with the fundies on here all the time.

However my views on the subjects of evolution and the fact there is no God have been passed on to my daughter, she now no longer believes in God. And, as she likes to call herself is a 'Darwinist'. Personally I think this is great, though my wife (who is no believer in god either) thinks that she should be given a balanced view and allowed to make her own choice.

Obviously my entire way of thinking baulks at the idea, but as a parents should we not allow them know all aspects of a subject and make there own choices based on what they learn and how they interpet it?

Thoughts?

How old is your daughter?

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@Numpty,

Numpty;67892 wrote:

This is a question to other parents who may or may not have faced a similar situation.

As most of you are aware I am an athiest and i do battle with the fundies on here all the time.

However my views on the subjects of evolution and the fact there is no God have been passed on to my daughter, she now no longer believes in God. And, as she likes to call herself is a 'Darwinist'. Personally I think this is great, though my wife (who is no believer in god either) thinks that she should be given a balanced view and allowed to make her own choice.

Obviously my entire way of thinking baulks at the idea, but as a parents should we not allow them know all aspects of a subject and make there own choices based on what they learn and how they interpet it?

Thoughts?

From the looks of things, your daughter has already made her choice. If you want to really know how your stance should be, ask her why she chose to discard religion for scientific inquiry. Not only will this let you see what knowledge and information she has acquired, it will show you her thought patterns and her critical thinking skills... she will have to take this knowledge she has and apply it directly. Its also an excellent way to fill in what she may not know and/or have misconceptions about, and will provide an excellent direction to further her education.

As a parent myself, it is my firm belief that knowledge should never be withheld from a child. Our collected and ultimately passed down knowledge is what has given us the civilization we have today... and what they learn, they will pass down to their children, and them to theirs. Its our responsibility as parents to make sure they are given all the knowledge and information they are willing to take in. Its how we as a species have advanced since the dawn of mankind.

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@Sabz5150,

The Forbidden Truth absolutely dictates that your course of action, should it be as stated, is the only legitimate course you could have taken.

Anything else would have been child-abuse, and attempt to infect your daughter with a serious mental desease. This would have constituted a legalised and societally sponsered assault on your daughter's sanity.

So, stating that god does not exist was the best thing you could have done from a Truth-based perspective.

As long as your daughter does not feel unable to express if she did believe in god without any fear or condemnation, your actions were correct. Even if the above occured because of your actions, you are still correct in telling her the Truth about god not existing. It would then be a simple matter of explaining to her that even though god does not exist, there can be no expectation upon her to believe that, and she is free to express her position on the matter.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;67908 wrote:

How old is your daughter?

10 going on 20,.. Very Happy

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@Numpty,

I would like to add to poast #5:

Although the Forbidden Truth dictates that the best possible scenario for any child is clearly is that they are told that the god myth is a toxic, harmful and malevolent lie, it is important to also realise that no human, including the primary caretaker, is personally obliged to make any decision for the child's welfare.

Society is responsible, and there is no legitimate obligation for any individual to refrain from the deliberate harm of children.

So, the primary caretaker could, in theory, torture the girl to death, and this would in no way violate post #5's revelation that the most Truth-based positive scenario for the girl would, in fact, be to inform the girl of the Truth regarding the god-myth.

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@Numpty,

Numpty;67914 wrote:

10 going on 20,..

As everywhere and always, tell her the truth but warn her to look out for your local version of the Gestapo, watching what she says in public. Over here in Britain the intellectual climate is different: sent (dubiously, to please the grandparents) to confirmation class one of my daughters converted various others to atheism, including the vicar's son, and they all walked out. You wouldn't teach her that it is an open question whether the world is flat or not, or whether fire is caused by an element called phlogiston: open questions are where you feel there is a real argument on both sides.

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@kynaston,

kynaston;67919 wrote:

As everywhere and always, tell her the truth but warn her to look out for your local version of the Gestapo, watching what she says in public. Over here in Britain the intellectual climate is different: sent (dubiously, to please the grandparents) to confirmation class one of my daughters converted various others to atheism, including the vicar's son, and they all walked out. You wouldn't teach her that it is an open question whether the world is flat or not, or whether fire is caused by an element called phlogiston: open questions are where you feel there is a real argument on both sides.

i Live in the Uk, You're way too paranoid :p

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@Numpty,

Numpty;67914 wrote:

10 going on 20,..

I think you should teach her 'about' what other people believe just so she knows as long as you don't dictate that "this" or "that" is true.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

FF : "I think you should teach her 'about' what other people believe just so she knows as long as you don't dictate that "this" or "that" is true."

As long as the "other" (i.e. religious) people are correctly represented. By that I mean it is made crystal clear that these people are mentally deranged and thier "belief" is completely lie-based, mythical and irrational.

Then, explanation is required as to how the bible/god-myth etc is an addiction, and it is malevolently designed to addict you. How the god-myth is mind-destroying and toxic.

Despite your best efforts, though, society will likely suceeed. Society has teachers, schools, fellow "class-mates" that can all deliver the toxic message. Few humans can reject the god-myth and christianity once infected. It is important to realise that most "atheists" are not what they cliam. Thier True Reality Core is still harbours the tumours of the god myth.

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@Seer Travis Truman,

Seer Travis Truman;67956 wrote:

FF : "I think you should teach her 'about' what other people believe just so she knows as long as you don't dictate that "this" or "that" is true."

As long as the "other" (i.e. religious) people are correctly represented. By that I mean it is made crystal clear that these people are mentally deranged and thier "belief" is completely lie-based, mythical and irrational.

Then, explanation is required as to how the bible/god-myth etc is an addiction, and it is malevolently designed to addict you. How the god-myth is mind-destroying and toxic.

Despite your best efforts, though, society will likely suceeed. Society has teachers, schools, fellow "class-mates" that can all deliver the toxic message. Few humans can reject the god-myth and christianity once infected. It is important to realise that most "atheists" are not what they cliam. Thier True Reality Core is still harbours the tumours of the god myth.

I wouldn't even go that far. I'd just say that "these people believe this" and "those people believe that" and leave it at that. If you provide her with the right logical tools, then she will be able to figure it out on her own. Knowing how much I've resented as youth how my family forced their views on me, I wouldn't want anybody to go through the same situation. And if you impose your views on her she might just go the opposite way just to be contrary as teens often do.

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@Numpty,

Numpty;67941 wrote:

i Live in the Uk, You're way too paranoid :p

No - just careful about advice I give Americans. What's your problem here?

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@kynaston,

kynaston;67976 wrote:

No - just careful about advice I give Americans. What's your problem here?

The topic header or beeing free with my words?

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@Numpty,

Thanks for the advice, for the most part anyway.

I think i'll go with answering any question on god as best I can and if she wants to learn about it, then that is her perogative. However she will she receive no encouragment from me in that regards.

She wants to be a paleantologist so it looks like science will be her life anyway. All good, it would do my head in having a bible basher in the house,.. Very Happy

Till the next time I have a parental Dilema,...I thank You.

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@Seer Travis Truman,

Seer Travis Truman;67956 wrote:

As long as the "other" (i.e. religious) people are correctly represented. By that I mean it is made crystal clear that these people are mentally deranged and thier "belief" is completely lie-based, mythical and irrational.

Yeah, cause that will be productive, filling a 10 year old with an adults point of view on a given situation.

Yeah I can see the converstaion now. 'You know your Grandad has early stages of altziemers, well he is also mentally deranged, his life has been a lie and the world he lives in is mythical and irrational'

Yup, I can see how that will help her.

We need to brush up on your parenting techniques my padawan Wink

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@Numpty,

I never help anyone intentionally. I made those posts knowing that I would bathe in the glow of My Superiority.

The one thing that you need to assess when dealing with your daughter (presuming that you really do want to do the best for her) is to follow a simple rule :

Forbidden Truth = correct
Lies = toxic and harmful

I know you will not and cannot follow.

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@Seer Travis Truman,

Seer Travis Truman;67997 wrote:

I never help anyone intentionally. I made those posts knowing that I would bathe in the glow of My Superiority.

The one thing that you need to assess when dealing with your daughter (presuming that you really do want to do the best for her) is to follow a simple rule :

Forbidden Truth = correct
Lies = toxic and harmful

I know you will not and cannot follow.

Seeing as your knowledge of love begins and ends with yourself, you have no understanding of the matter.

It is rather difficult to have a glow of superiority over a subject you have never experienced and know nothing about.

-Edit- I wasn't thanking you for your advice. I was thanking Sabz and FF. In terms being of any use,....yours wasn't.

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@Numpty,

Numpty;67986 wrote:

The topic header or beeing free with my words?

In the UK, unless you live in one of the more remote Scottish Islands there seems to me no problem about saying, 'Well, some people believe so-snd-so, because x and y, but I don't because a and b'. The majority of people are not religious, and children can get on and make up their own minds. So I suppose I mean, 'What's the problem about just acting naturally?'

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@kynaston,

kynaston;68005 wrote:

In the UK, unless you live in one of the more remote Scottish Islands there seems to me no problem about saying, 'Well, some people believe so-snd-so, because x and y, but I don't because a and b'. The majority of people are not religious, and children can get on and make up their own minds. So I suppose I mean, 'What's the problem about just acting naturally?'

Nothing, it's just something that bothered me as a parent, who does not believe in any form of deity.

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