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Freeman15
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2007 09:52 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;36044 wrote:
I'll go along with that part but I disagree with "that which no greater can be concieved"


Whether you believe in "god" or not is irrelevant. Name something that could concievably be greater than the being from which all is derived (again, belief is irrelevant, the concept of "god" is such). If you can't, "that than which no greater can be concieved" is the best definition.

PS. I don't consider myself religious.
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 07:32 am
@FedUpAmerican,
I can think of all kinds of things greater than the conception of the God fantasy.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 11:37 am
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;36066 wrote:
I can think of all kinds of things greater than the conception of the God fantasy.


Ok, so God is a fantasy.

We know Unicorns don't exist, but we understand THE CONCEPT. It's a horse with a horn, and therefore it exists in the imaginary.

God, whether or not you think it exists, fantasy or reality, denotes the greatest being in all of existence, and you UNDERSTAND the concept, whether or not you choose to accept it. Therefore, since the concept exists in the imaginary, it MUST exist in reality, given its definition.
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 07:26 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
I understand the concept of God but I don't agree that it "denotes the greatest being in all existence." That's why I can't follow your theory. Sorry.

To me God is nothing but an excuse for people to turn from reality. There is nothing I find great in the concept of God.

We obviously have different definitions.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 11:38 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;36113 wrote:
I understand the concept of God but I don't agree that it "denotes the greatest being in all existence." That's why I can't follow your theory. Sorry.

To me God is nothing but an excuse for people to turn from reality. There is nothing I find great in the concept of God.

We obviously have different definitions.


You're just not comprehending, I'll simplify it further.

You contend that God is an excuse for people to turn from reality, fine, good for you for actually having an opinion...but how do you know the word "god"?

You know what the word means, if you don't, then you're opinion on this matter is null.

So, since you understand the meaning of the word "god" to be "the greatest being in the world", again, whether you accept or reject this as real, you UNDERSTAND the concept. Thus, it exists in the imaginary, and thus must logically exist in reality.

It's like.......pink zebras. I don't believe they exist, but I understand the meaning of "pink zebras", and thus they DO exist in the imaginary, simply not in the reality. Similarly a white/black zebra's meaning exists in my understanding, AND it exists in reality as an imperfect representation of the concept of "zebra".
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 06:42 am
@FedUpAmerican,
I never said that I thought God was "the greatest being in the world." It's not a comprehension issue at all. It's an issue of you TRYING to put words in my mouth. NOTHING more.

Why do you obsess about TRYING to control another persons words???

Who are YOU to say that MY views are "null?"

Junior, your debate skills are weak. TRY again.

LOL!!!
klyph
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 11:22 am
@FedUpAmerican,
What he's saying is that there IS a being that has more power than any other being, whether it be a man in the sky, a man on earth, a martian in a flying saucer, or a talking manatee, when you boil it down, there is one being with more power than any other, there has to be, hence "God" exists. You're trying too hard to be an atheist Smile
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:03 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;36139 wrote:
I never said that I thought God was "the greatest being in the world." It's not a comprehension issue at all. It's an issue of you TRYING to put words in my mouth. NOTHING more.

Why do you obsess about TRYING to control another persons words???

Who are YOU to say that MY views are "null?"

Junior, your debate skills are weak. TRY again.

LOL!!!


Ok, you're an athiest, so you do not believe in God. Well what don't you believe in? Is "god" a type of food? A workshop? No, you reject the idea of a being than which no greater can be concieved or "god", and thus the concept of such a being exists in your mind.

I'm not controlling your words, I'm simply pointing out that God must logically exist given the definition of the word. I think pigs are smelly, disgusting-looking and good for eating, but I still know what a pig's actually definition is; that four-legged animal with the weird nose. You think "god" is a cop-out cause for the religious and is total fantasy. That's fine, but in this you recognize the idea of "god" is that of a great being that nobody else can top. You can't reject an idea if you can't understand it, so as an athiest, you MUST understand the definition of "god".

My debate skills are weak? Mmhm, ok
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:15 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
My head just wet *poof* smoke out of ears and everything.

Freeman, this is what you are saying.

"If I can imagine it, then it is real"

I hope that is not what you mean to be getting across.

If so lets point and laugh at the belief.

I had a dream (Imagination while sleeping) that a 300 ft clitoris spoke to me and said, if I fart 3 times a day eventually I will fly.

I imagined it thus it is reality?
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:24 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;36177 wrote:
My head just wet *poof* smoke out of ears and everything.

Freeman, this is what you are saying.

"If I can imagine it, then it is real"

I hope that is not what you mean to be getting across.

If so lets point and laugh at the belief.

I had a dream (Imagination while sleeping) that a 300 ft clitoris spoke to me and said, if I fart 3 times a day eventually I will fly.

I imagined it thus it is reality?



No, exactly the opposite, it exists in the realm of the imaginary.

But look at my original post where I said that that which exists in reality occupies a higher level of existence than that which exists in the imaginary. The reality trumps the imaginary because well, it actually exists. However, the concept of a 30fr clitoris, besides being really really cool, does exist, the item itself simply exists in the imaginary realm.

Now, since "god" is defined as a being than which no greater can be concieved, the concept of "god" exists in the imaginary. However, since we know that the reality trumps the imaginary, "god" MUST exist in reality, since "god" is defined as that which no greater can be concieved. People, I learned this in my freshman philosophy class, it's not that hard to grasp.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:29 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
I see where you are going (I hope) The WORD god defines something an object or entity or concept of "no greater can be conceived"

Like the word INFINITY.


Does not mean it exists, it just describes the IF it exists.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:31 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;36184 wrote:
I see where you are going (I hope) The WORD god defines something an object or entity or concept of "no greater can be conceived"

Like the word INFINITY.


Does not mean it exists, it just describes the IF it exists.


Do we agree that the realm of reality is greater than that of the imaginary?
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:31 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
And if that is NOT what you mean, I am going to pretend it is, because it is something I can buy into. as opposed to the constant HAHA GOD IS REAL and YOU have to prove he doesnt) crap that is shoved down us NON believers throats.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:32 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;36185 wrote:
Do we agree that the realm of reality is greater than that of the imaginary?


No. I can imagine some pretty fucked up ****. that would NEVER take place in Reality. Thus Imaginary IS Greater than Reality in dimension.

As for ACTUAL MASS... Yes Reality is Greater.
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:33 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
On that same note though, I dont claim MY imaginary friends (god) are reality.
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:34 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;36187 wrote:
No. I can imagine some pretty ***ed up ****. that would NEVER take place in Reality. Thus Imaginary IS Greater than Reality in dimension.

As for ACTUAL MASS... Yes Reality is Greater.


No no, I mean in terms of qualifying existence. That which exists in reality enjoys a greater level of existence than that which exists in the imaginary. Sorry, "greater" was a bad word to use without clarification.
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:35 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;36189 wrote:
No no, I mean in terms of qualifying existence. That which exists in reality enjoys a greater level of existence than that which exists in the imaginary. Sorry, "greater" was a bad word to use without clarification.



Then Yes. I agree.

But it seems you are defending the God is Imaginary and Reality is Greater than God... idea.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 12:39 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;36190 wrote:
Then Yes. I agree.

But it seems you are defending the God is Imaginary and Reality is Greater than God... idea.


Ok, here is where it gets a little complicated.

If "god" is definied, as we agreed, as "that than which no greater can be concieved", then he MUST exist in reality. The concept exists in the imaginary already, but since ALL reality trumps ALL imaginary, and "god" is defined as "that than which no greater can be concieved", he MUST logically exist in the reality as well, since we can concieve of nothing greater.
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 01:04 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;36172 wrote:
Ok, you're an athiest, so you do not believe in God. Well what don't you believe in? Is "god" a type of food? A workshop? No, you reject the idea of a being than which no greater can be concieved or "god", and thus the concept of such a being exists in your mind.


Thats YOUR definition of God. NOT MINE.

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I'm not controlling your words,

I never said you were. I said that you were TRYING.

Big difference.
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I'm simply pointing out that God must logically exist given the definition of the word. I think pigs are smelly, disgusting-looking and good for eating, but I still know what a pig's actually definition is; that four-legged animal with the weird nose.

OK. We finally agree on something. We know what a pig is.

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You think "god" is a cop-out cause for the religious and is total fantasy. That's fine, but in this you recognize the idea of "god" is that of a great being that nobody else can top.


THIS is what we disagree on.
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You can't reject an idea if you can't understand it, so as an athiest, you MUST understand the definition of "god".


I never claimed to be an athiest.

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My debate skills are weak? Mmhm, ok


Well they MUST be if you insist on shoving your interpretation of God down people's throats.

Sorry junior, TRY again. :banghead:
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 10 Sep, 2007 01:14 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;36196 wrote:
Thats YOUR definition of God. NOT MINE.


I never said you were. I said that you were TRYING.

Big difference.

OK. We finally agree on something. We know what a pig is.



THIS is what we disagree on.


I never claimed to be an athiest.



Well they MUST be if you insist on shoving your interpretation of God down people's throats.

Sorry junior, TRY again. :banghead:


So define "god" then.
 

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